Bradley: Okay. Now we're live. This is screwing me up. Hey everybody! This is Bradley Benner with Semantic Mastery. This is Hump Day Hangouts Episode 224. It is February 20th, 2019. I'm sorry I don't have my camera today. For some reason Google Hangouts decided it did not wanna recognize my camera at the last minute. You guys would probably appreciate the fact you don't have to look at my face. I've only got two people on with me today because Adam and Hernan are out at the Funnel Hacking Live event. They're out having fun while we're hard at work.
Let me say hi to Chris. What's up, Chris? How are you?
Chris: Doing good. Great to be here.
Marco: I made it, man. I'm here.
Bradley: Good. I don't really have any announcements specifically, except that we've got a Mastermind webinar tomorrow, for those of you that are in the Mastermind. We're gonna be covering several things that I've been tracking for the last few weeks now as far as doing some off-page tests for ranking GMBs, doing a whole bunch of different types of off-page tests and isolation.
In fact, let me se, for one moment, I've got pause the screen for a minute. Marco, do you have any announcements while I do that?
Marco: No. But I'm so glad you're gonna talk about this because my write-up for the Mastermind, which I'm finishing up today by the way, is about that, testing, whether it's single variable testing or whether it's testing in isolation, or what it actually is that you're trying to do.
What you're trying to do is gauge whether there's an effect. You're not trying to show that something doesn't work. It's crazy going in and trying to test that something doesn't work. The test should be, what does it do? You should get the data. The data should speak for what the tests. You're testing a variable, but does the variable move the needle? No, it doesn't. Okay, onto the next thing, which is what you're doing, you're testing all of these different variables and you're isolating so that you can do whatever it is that you're doing to each one.
I'm really glad that you're talking about this. I'm gonna go a little bit more in-depth in the Mastermind newsletter about testing and how people are being misled by so-called, all of these are expert testers that don't know what the fuck they're doing. So I'll just leave it at that.
Bradley: Yeah. I've been tracking, well, about a month ago was. It was around January 21st when I started setting these tests up. I'm testing every one of these methods and isolation. In other words, they're GMB or Google My Business profiles that had the initial on-page stuff done and what my standard operating procedure is for optimizing a new profile, and then from there, all I'm doing is specifically one of these methods.
I'm testing across multiple properties per methods so that I can see if we get positive results or negative results or no results on any one method, I want to see if that occurs across more than one property for the same type of method. Because if we get positive results on two properties, if I'm only doing two tests or testing on two locations per method and they're both positive, then that's a really good indication that that's a viable method or something that moves the needle.
Like he says, that's actually funny you said that because that's the title or the subtitle of the actual test that I'm doing Which Method Moves the Needle the Most? These different tests that I'm doing, and like I said, if a positive result occurs on two properties, two separate locations, then I know that it's a good method to use and that it will continue … It will be duplicatable, in other words.
I will obviously set it up and see if I can repeat it again across other properties. If I get two no changes, or two negative changes, then it's probably the case also. But if we get one that's positive and one it's neutral, or one that's positive, one is negative, then it's obviously gonna have to require further investigation.
So that's essentially what I'm doing. I've tried several these things and I've got some really super good results back with one of these methods in particular. I'm not gonna tell which one here, guys, you got to join a Mastermind for that. But I'm gonna be covering it tomorrow because I've got really, really good results from one method in particular. It's actually one of the easiest methods and that's what I love about. I'm pleasantly surprised. Actually, I was not surprised that the method works because of what I know about that method, but I'm glad that it's one of the easier methods for any one of us to achieve, or to implement, I should say.
Again, I'm gonna be covering that in the Mastermind webinar tomorrow as well as I'm also gonna be covering some questions about PR stacking from some of our members. I'm also gonna be talking about setting up display ads for remarketing using the Google Display Network because it's a much, much easier process now and it's very, very effective.
So that's what I've got to tease with for tomorrow. It looks like we don't have that many questions. But I'm gonna get right into it.
Chris: I got a question, man.
Bradley: Go ahead.
Chris: I scrolled through my Facebook feed today, people are literally scared of GMB and Google all of a sudden. You just were talking about, yeah, which method is the most potent or the biggest needle move of them. Anybody, you wanna share your insights on that, Marco or Bradley?
Bradley: I'll start. Yeah. Armageddon is coming, right? The sky is always falling, Chicken Little type stuff. By the way, that screenshot that you're looking at there, guys, that's the tease for tomorrow's webinar in Mastermind because those are the movements that I've seen occur just in the last few days from that one particular method I'm gonna be covering.
Anyways, Marco and I, well, we've been around long enough to know that shit changes all the time. It's SEO. For the last several months we've been pushing really hard on GMB stuff because it's been working so well and I've been saying all along it at some point Google's gonna shut it down. I don't necessarily think that existing properties are gonna be taken down. What I think is gonna happen, and this is just my assumption, guys, my educated opinion about this or my educated guess, prediction I should say, is that it's gonna become damn near impossible to register new GMB profiles. I think that's how it's gonna be shut down.
That's why I've been pushing for people to build, build, build for the last several months, and to build your ass off and to build a team for scaling your build processes so that you can secure as many location as possible prior to what I think is going to happen, which is going to be damn near impossible to register new businesses.
I don't know exactly what they're gonna do to shut it down, but it's likely going to be something like having to take photographs at a storefront or at the business location. It could also be requiring … Again, guys, just speculation, but it could also require you to send corporate documents in or something that shows proof of address with the business name on it, so like a utility bill or something. I know because I've actually had to call Google Support before to get help moving a legit business for a client of mine to get the Maps listing updated. That was one of the things required, was a bank statement, the account details and everything could be blurred, but it had to show the company name and the mailing address and all that.
Those are things that I assume or that I predict are going to happen. But we always find workarounds and we always find ways to continue to make money. That's really the name of the game, guys. Don't freak out. Don't go into panic mode. Relax. Know that you're gonna have other options. We're gonna figure them out eventually and other people will figure them out as well, and you can too. But it's about keeping your head cool and realizing that this is a cat-and-mouse game that we play and that's the business that we're in.
Marco, what are your thoughts?
Marco: I get a little bit more basic, man. Yeah, I don't care. Why? I say basic because there's basic web principles. The foundational stuff that we teach is based on web principles, right? We're in the semantic web. We all know that, right? We talked about ART, activity, relevance, trust and authority, and how to generate all that. But there's foundation of principles. You can only code one way. If you write spaghetti code, you're writing garbage that nobody's ever going to be able to tell what it is if someone needs to come and take over. So there's international standards that are set.
There are basic principles where the guidelines are not set by Google. Google's Terms of Service and Google's guidelines are determined by Google, but coding standards are set by other people. In order for Google to mess with that, Google has to go and push at a higher level where there's a bunch of other people pushing back. I've been talking about this since Semantic Mastery began. Google is the 800-pound gorilla in the room. Correct, but there's others on the web. Google can't just go and do whatever the fuck they want to do. There's some stuff that they just can't touch.
While that goes on we'll just keep going and getting the results that we get. That's what you saw. The test that you're shown, which is beautiful because it's based on basic foundational principles, that's what we work from. Now all of these other stuff, yes, they're hacks, guys. We manipulate. That's our job. We're in this to make money. We're not here to make people happy. We're not here to make Google happy. I'm in this to make money. I don't care. They can't tell me that it's wrong to do what I'm doing, well then, Google should go and change their whole scheme for making money online because it's all based on lies and it's all based on moving people into their funnel and keeping them there as long as possible; they don't care how they do it, they just want to do it. Well, that's fine. That's their business model. I have mine.
Just to get back to this, basic principles, they still work. Why? Because everyone has to adhere to the same standards no matter what. That's my rant for today – well, hopefully.
Bradley: Yeah, I agree with that. Let's get into questions, guys. Not a whole lot of questions and I'm surprised. Maybe it's this new platform that's scaring people off, the discus platform. All right.
Chris: The sky is always falling.
Bradley: What's that?
Chris: The sky is always falling. Some people say it's …
Bradley: Chicken Little, yeah. Okay. Ben's up. He says, “Hey Bradley, thanks for our call last Thursday.” Okay. Ben's one of our Mastermind members and I'd been doing Mastermind calls. I opened up an opportunity for our Mastermind members to schedule a 30-minute call with me. It started the first week in January and this is the seventh week that I've been doing those calls. Next week, I'll wrap it up and then it'll be closed down until June. In June, I'm gonna open it back up again.
I encourage our Mastermind members that even scheduled to call with me in this first round to call schedule a second call with me in June because in six months you will have hopefully overcome some of the issues that we discussed on our call, and hopefully you have a new set of issues. I really want to continue to find out what's going on with our members. It's been super insightful for me to learn more about what's going …
Well, first, to get to know our members on a more personal level. It's been great. It really has been. I've really enjoyed the calls. Number two, it's given us a lot of insight as to what's going on, and in our Mastermind, which is our top level program, what's going on in our members' businesses, so that we can develop better tools and resources and training to help them overcome their obstacles. It really has been beneficial to me as well as, hopefully, to others.
Is Local GMB Pro Included In The MasterMind?
That's what Ben is referring to here. He says, “Thanks for our call last Thursday. It was good to talk to you and I got a lot out of it.” Well, thank you, man. I appreciate that. He says, “A couple of questions. Number one, is Local GMB Pro included in the Mastermind? Not that I need it. Local Lease Pro is looking pretty comprehensive as I go through it. I'm just curious as it doesn't recognize my username.”
Yeah, I know. We had Rob Beale collaborate on that with us and so there is an additional charge for that. But as a Mastermind member you get it at a silly ridiculous discount from what the advertised price is, if you look at the sales page publicly. Just contact Support when you're ready for that, Ben. But since I did talk with you, trust me, you're not ready for that yet. Go through Local Lease Pro, start implementing those strategies, provided that they're still going to work, depending on what happens with the GMB stuff going forward.
As it stands right now, it's still working just fine. But just keep in mind that you should be implementing that right now and then the Local GMB Pro training would really be more about assets that need the additional push, or if you're in super competitive areas, that's where you're going to want to implement Local GMB Pro. But again, that's not something that I would recommend you start with right now, you're gonna be overwhelmed. I know you and I talked about that. Do not overwhelm yourself with too much training. I'd rather you take action and Local Lease Pro is set up with actionable data, actionable information for you to go out and implement immediately to start building, and that's the most important thing. Okay.
Good question. But, yeah, as a Mastermind member, you'll get a significant discount on that when you're ready. But I can tell you right now you're not ready for that. Okay.
Yeah. You know what it was, honestly, it was kind of a perfect storm in that I was trying to do too many things and trying to not only teach on too many different topics as far as digital marketing, but I was trying to do too many things for my agency and provide too many services. What happens is I became overwhelmed with chasing different methods and trying to implement every method that I could learn about. So every time I saw a marketing email come through, and you guys know, I'm sure you are all on a million email list too, I would get the same type of emails, you guys would about new methods, about new tools and processes and things like that and I would get sucked in. The grass is always greener, right? I would see the opportunity that I thought, as an entrepreneur, I would see opportunity and I'm want to go after it, I want to chase it.
But what happened was over time things started to accumulate and accrue to the point where I had 15 projects going on and none of them were really progressing because I was spread too thin across too much. We, as a corporation, Semantic Mastery kind of suffered that for a period of time too and in part, I'm the face of the company, I should say, not to discredit my partners or anything, but in part because I was doing that in my own business as well. So we were kind of going that way with Semantic Mastery, trying to be too many things to too many people.
Really what happened was, and fortunately, my partner Adam, he's not here today, but he introduced us to a book by Gino Wickman, I think it is, called Traction. It's a program for really zeroing in on a singular focus and purpose for a company, for any organization. We've been working through that now, guys. What are we, over a year now into that, Traction? Are we on our fifth quarter now? Somebody would comment on that?
Marco: Yeah. I can't remember exactly what quarter we're on.
Bradley: I think we're on our fifth quarter now. Anyways, we do everything now. It's kind of a combination of various methods, but the 12-week year is one of the books that we provide to our Mastermind members when they come join. Another one is That One Thing. That's another book that where it teaches you how to really focus in on one thing to get results and find out what is the most important thing, the one thing that I can do such that everything else becomes irrelevant or less important or irrelevant, or something like that. It's a great book. Then there's the 12-week year, which is about taking 12-month goals and boiling them down into 12 weeks, which is a 90-day period. What we call them 12-week Sprints. It's a quarter every year.
We started implementing these strategies and then traction really kind of started giving us the organizational structure as a corporation to start developing our goals, figuring out what our primary focus was going to be, zeroing in on that, and then building out our processes and systems to achieve those goals. Like I said. I think we're on our fifth quarter of that process now. That's why over the last probably six months or so, you guys have been following us and probably noticed we've really shifted to just local marketing stuff. Not that we don't still talk about and teach and share and present information in the Mastermind about all types of marketing, but our primary push is local.
That's because I needed to do that in my own business in order for me to get better results for my clients to increase my own income and to get some of my time and my sanity back because I was just all over the place and it was overwhelming and, honestly, it was exhausting. Also, as you guys know, shit's changing all the time in the digital marketing space, so having to stay on the cutting edge of everything is incredibly difficult.
So I really wanted to shift my focus into something that I preferred, which was local marketing. I also feel that that's one of the quickest ways to earn revenue, is local marketing. So I kind of shifted to that. We took several surveys of you guys, our members, to find out that that's what the vast majority of our audience was doing, was local marketing or lead generation, that kind of stuff. So we really shifted all of our focus to that.
Again, Ben, to answer your question, how I got over it was kind of a combination of recognizing the fact that I was really spinning my wheels and not making any progress in a lot of different areas because I was going after too many things, my attention was spread too thin, and then also, again, when the student is ready the teacher appears.
Adam kind of presented us or brought to our attention like this, Gino Wickman's Traction program and they call the EOS, I guess the employee operating system, and all this stuff. Just get the book, guys, it's inexpensive, and go through it. It's a lot of work. We've been at it for five months now-, or excuse me, five quarters now, I think five quarters, and it's a lot of work. But it's totally worth it because we're seeing the benefits and the fruits of the work that we're putting in.
So a combination of those two things for me really kind of got me to stop … Guys, I'm not kidding, I've unsubscribed from just about every single email list. I got one specific email that I would always sign up for stuff and now, because over the years I've subscribed to so many lists, I've unsubscribed from just about everything. But yeah, I still get emails for internet marketing products and stuff all the time, from stuff that I've never even subscribed from. You guys know how that goes, people sell lists and your name gets passed, your email gets passed around from one list to another, whether you subscribed or not.
I'm not gonna lie, every single day now when I get a marketing email unless it's from somebody that I want to be on their list, I go find the unsubscribe button. as soon as I open an email, hit the unsubscribe button, and then I come back and hit the spam button. I do it every fucking day every single day. Some days I might only get one email now, other days I might get five or six spam type marketing emails. But I do the same thing. I open them up, I don't even read them, I just go right find an Unsubscribe button, click Unsubscribe, and then I come back it's hit the Spam button. What it's done is it's really reduced the amount of junk that I see on a daily basis.
I was telling this to Ben when we had our call, our Mastermind call, it's like being an alcoholic and going to a bar. Right? When you open your email account, if you know you have shiny object syndrome and you're not getting any traction in any one area of your business because you keep chasing opportunity, stop, stop going in your email box and reading these emails, guys. Stop. It's like get yourself out of the bar if you're a recovering alcoholic, right? It's the same principle. You need to avoid the shit that's detracting from you being able to get make progress in your business.
So for me, it was just eliminating the marketing messages. I'm a marketer so I'm susceptible to marketing messages, right? For me, it was just avoiding them. Out of sight, out of mind. Putting blinders on. Putting my nose down. Working through what I knew I needed to do and that was local marketing. Right now it's about building a lead gen business and developing processes but I'm not doing all the work and then teaching our members about what I'm doing and how we're doing it. So that's what's worked for me.
Any of you guys have comments on that?
Chris: Yeah. You probably should read the latest Mastermind issue, for February, because what I wrote about was pretty much what you've just talked about, but in steroids. It's like if you're struggling with that there's something really, really valuable in there for this month.
Bradley: It's awesome.
Chris: Not to reveal everything, so from Masterminding members, you can be looking forward to some really sweet stuff. I recommend you check it out as well, Bradley.
Bradley: I sure will. Marco?
Marco: Well, the way that I stopped is I realized that we're producing better shit than most people out there. So I focus on our own things and I know that you focus, we, the Mastermind's focus is local. But I'm still in the lab looking at manipulation methods for national, global, just whatever, because that's just how my mind works. I can't just do the local thing and be happy. I have to be able to see where all of the algorithms are going, where Google is going, where it's taking us and why, and then try to intercept at the right time, which is kind of like how RYS Academy was born, then RYS Reloaded, Local GMB Pro, as a matter of fact, came through because of that. It was just looking to see where Google was going and why. So I'm constantly after that, where is Google going, why?
As long as I'm on that, I don't care about somebody else's shit because I'm too busy with my own shit. That's how I was able to overcome. We've all been there. If you've been online for any length of time, it could be a week, you bought something. Yeah. That's just the way it is.
Are Both G+ Personal And Business Profiles Be Shut Down By Google?
Bradley: Yeah. That's a great question, Ben. I really appreciated that question. Hopefully, that was helpful. Ken. What's up, Ken? He says, “Are both G Plus personal and business profiles going away or is it just personal?” I believe it's all Google Plus. I think the only Google Plus that's going to remain, and I could be wrong about this guys, but I'm pretty sure that they're all being killed off unless you're what they call Google Plus Enterprise, which is only for like, it's like internal Google Plus for large organizations. I don't even know anything about it. I just read somewhere about it.
So as far as I know, Google Plus is being completely killed. I think in April it's gonna be down completely. You won't be able to access even your old stuff. I got notifications, dozens and dozens of notifications about it where they say if you got any photos in Google Plus, the notifications, you got to download the photos and all that kind of stuff because in April they're gone. That's it. They're extinct. Whatever. Good riddance. No big deal. Move on.
Which, by the way, guys, we covered the Google Plus … Oh, yeah, guys, if you're in the Syndication Academy and you didn't watch the update webinar from last week, go back and watch it. I mean, literally, as soon as Hump Day Hangouts is over, go watch it because it's super, super powerful what I was talking about, because one of the things I was covering was Google Plus being shut down. We had a lot of people comment and question about, “What's going to happen? Because Google Plus is down and that's one of our main social hubs.” Yeah. So what? We find others.
I shared exactly what I'm using now, which is so much more effective anyways, and it's really, really powerful. If you're in Syndication Academy, guys, go watch the update webinar that was just recorded last week. It's in the archives area, the updates area along with all the notes and everything in there. Super powerful and it's easy to do. Okay. AlL right. I'm gonna keep on moving.
What Photo Selection In GMB Is It That Dictates Which Image Is Displayed In Google Maps?
Marco, do you have an idea as to what you can do to get Google to display what you want?
Marco: No. I don't have an answer for that. It sometimes displays the latest one, it sometimes displays what it wants to, I don't know. If you have GMB that is legit, that is tied to a company or whatever, you might wanna get in touch with a Google rep and see if they can help you out. If you act really ignorant, if you act really stupid, like you don't know what's going on, they'll really help you out. They'll go out of their way to help you out. I found that the more ignorant you act and the more that they … “I don't know …” “Oh, you mean like Chrome?” I mean they go that deep into … Just totally being blissfully ignorant about everything online.
Because you're a business owner who doesn't have time for all of this. The only people who have time for this are marketers who are in there trying to manipulate every day, who are the first ones that find out what doesn't work and what does. So you wanna try to avoid being that know-it-all marketer because if you do that you're gonna get nuked, your IP is gonna get tagged, and you're in for a lot of trouble.
Bradley: Yeah, I agree. If it's a legit business, man, just contact the Google My Business Support. Again, if it's legit verifiable business, guys, I don't have any problem contacting Support anymore. I found them to be quite helpful when needed. Again, don't be afraid to do that. I remember years ago it was damn near impossible to get support help from Google and it was only via email and it would be sometimes days or even weeks before they would reply and it was just a bitch. But now it's a lot easier to get in touch with Google Support. Again, if it's for legit business, don't be afraid of trying.
What Are Your Most Successful Tactics In Getting Client Response From Cold Emails?
Okay. Jeff says, a minute, I still got to get used to this platform, guys. Jeff says, what's up, Jeff? He says, “Two questions. What is the record for most F-bombs dropped by Marco in one rant?” Well, apparently, Ken's been counting, he says 87.
Chris: Did you see the RYS Academy sales video, the webinar, the very first one? I bet it goes higher.
Marco: Guys, listen, I don't do it purposely. It's just when I get excited I get really animated and it just flows. Please excuse me, I don't mean to offend. Well, I have meant to offend people in the past, let me change that. You guys, in general, I don't intend to offend you. If you are, please excuse me. Please understand that that's just … My partners know that that's me because they have to deal with me on a daily basis, so they know. They know Marco.
So you guys, just please excuse me. Next time if you come to my webinars or whatever, please put the kids away and you might not want the wife, girlfriend, boyfriend or whatever around while you're listening to me talk.
Bradley: Yeah. I remember we had a Mastermind webinar about three years ago, maybe three and a half years ago, and Marco and I, we're a little loose with our lips as far as some of the things we were saying. One of the members posted like “I've got kids in the room.” It was so funny because immediately after that I put a parental guidance suggested explicit language, image, or whatever, graphic on the bottom of the header image for the page that we were hosting the webinars on. In that point forward, we always kept it to be like, hey, keep your kids out. It's not safe for work-type stuff. I think it was really funny. I think Carolyn was her name.
But to answer your question, what I found and I spent a lot of time last year, in 2018, doing prospecting and trying to do sales for traditional agency services. I got really good at prospecting, getting the conversation started. As far as sales, I failed miserably. I think we spent like $18,000 between our salesperson and our VA staff which was handling the cold email outreach and all that stuff. I think we made like $6,000 in sales. It was ridiculous. That in part is just because I think that the local business market is so saturated with solicitation calls from marketing and advertising agency.
So long story short, that's part of the reason we shifted back to the lead generation model because it changes the dynamic entirely, and I know that's what you're asking about. But when it came to prospecting, I found the easiest thing to do is, are quick question type emails.
There's a great book by the guy that the developer of quickmail.io. If you go to quickmail.io, it's a service that you can subscribe to, it's like an email tracking service and all that. I personally like gmass.co better as an email marketing platform, but I started out with using quickmail.io. There's a book by the developer. It's a real short book. You can get it on Amazon, Kindle. I think you can get in paperback too, but I got it on Kindle. It's a real short book, it's only like 30-some pages I think, really inexpensive. I think it might only be $1 or $2.99 or something like that.
Go get it. Go to quickmail.io and probably click through some of the links and you'll find the guy's name, the developer's name, and then you can find the book on Amazon. Pick that book up. Guys, I tested last year multiple types of cold email outreach methods for prospecting. Out of everything that I tested, and I tested David Sprague stuff, David Sprague's got some really good tools, guys, there's no question, but as far as his cold email outreach programs and stuff, I just had miserable success and we gave it full on effort.
I mean, for months, not just his program but all different types of outreach methods. What I found that produced the most success, especially dealing with contractors, was the quick question type emails. That strategy is outlaid perfectly in that short little book by the developer quickmail.io. His name is Jeremy something, I think. Anyways, just go pick it up, read through that book, and then start testing. That's what I did and it worked really, really, really well.
We're actually gonna be testing in the Mastermind. I'm gonna be using a combination of the more mass email approach, which is what I was talking about with the quick question type emails, which all you're trying to do is solicit a response, a reply, that's it. No, you're not asking them to click through any links, you're not getting diarrhea of the mouth and dumping a whole bunch of information and doing an email. You just ask them a simple question that's kind of disguised like a lead for them. It's a little bit misleading, but not so, because you're gonna present them with an opportunity.
Again, it's not unethical. Like I said, it's just a way to ask questions. For example, maybe if I got a tree service site or assets that I need to monetize, I might contact 10 or 15 different … When I was doing the mass prospect, I would contact 50, 60 tree service contractors with these quick question type emails. Now I'm going to be doing a hybrid model that it incorporates the video email process, which is, we have a training program that I developed that I've used for years to get results for prospecting and sales and that's called the video lead gen system.
It's how to use video emails to get people's attention. It's a bit time-consuming because you got to record videos that are personalized to each person you reach out to. I'm trying to templatize that now to where it's going to be a lot easier and more efficient and have a team that does the video editing and all that kind of stuff so that we can turn it into more of a process. Like an assembly line to where we can do 10 or 15 videos in a short period of time and then targeted emails out.
But I'm still going to be using those quick question type emails where I might say like, “Quick question, are you guys accepting or are you guys providing estimates for tree removal right now?” When they reply yes, that's the conversation starter. “Okay, great. Would you mind if I sent you a video explaining what it is that I've got?” Then if they reply yes again, now you they've given you permission to send them a video. Then you send them the damn video, which is a personalized video explaining what you got.
“Hey, look, I got these leads coming in right now.” You don't show your assets, guys. You show call volume or you show the fact that you're generating leads. Show proof. Say, “Look, I really need somebody who can take these leads. If you're interested, let me know I'll send a few of them to you for the next week, or I'll send you five leads or 10 leads or whatever, whatever your business model is good for. You say to them, “I'll send you five leads for free,” and then, “I'll follow up with you after that to find out if you're if you like them. If they were good genuine valid leads that you'd like to continue that service, we can talk then,” stuff like that. Just real simple little questions, guys.
I've tested all kinds of processes and what I found was those quick questions where you don't drop a link in it, you don't ask them to click, you don't ask them to go to a landing page and fill out a survey, or watch a video on the first email, none of that, you just ask them to reply. That's a conversation starter. That starts the dialogue. Once the dialogue starts, then you ask permission to send them a link for them to click, which is just a video essentially. You say, “Can I send you a video to explain what I've got?” If they say yes, now they're giving you permission.
Then you send them the video link, and then they'll click on it, and now watch the video. Then sometimes they will reply, sometimes they won't. But that's really the whole point. Again, video lead-gen system was the course that we did on how to use video email. Then I'm going to be kind of mixing that with the more … I'm trying to templatize that and make it towards a process to where it's not so time-consuming to do those emails, although they're very, very effective. Okay?
Again, this is stuff that in the Mastermind, guys, were gonna be covering over the next several weeks. Okay. Those were great questions, Jeff.
Does anybody else have-
Chris: I'll post a link to the book in a second.
Bradley: I'm sorry?
Chris: I'll post a link to the book in a second. I already got it.
What Are Your Thoughts On WebFire 3.0 Tool?
Bradley: Okay. Cool. Yeah, it's a great little book. All right, moving on. Martin says, “Have you any experience with the WebFire 3.0 tool?” No, Martin. When you said that, I clicked on it and I looked, I don't, so I can't really comment on that. I don't have time to look through it right now. Perhaps, if you remind me, next week I will take a look at that before. I might look through that thing when we're off this webinar today.
Marco: Hey Bradley, those are all like, those are click … Well, what do you call that, the auto traffic-
Bradley: It's like a click-through spambot?
Marco: Yeah. Tons of websites like that.
Marco: The problem that I'm seeing, and by the way, they're working. Some are working better than others. I'm not gonna say which one because then everyone will run there and ruin it for me. I don't want you guys messing with my money. At any rate, they are working, go and test them out. But interestingly enough, what I found works the best is … You did a course on it, it's only available in the Mastermind.
Marco: The way that you teach it becomes actually cheaper than most of these click-through spams or spam traffic networks, which is really interesting because you're targeting real people to come and visit your stuff. These real people have a genuine interest in whatever it is that you're doing right and they're going to ask way-, they're going to act, excuse me, way differently than the people that have to click on your link. Does that make sense? They pay for it. Well, you paid for it, they go, they click, then they get credit. It just becomes crazy because they're not really interested in your stuff, they're only interested in theirs.
Now since we're targeting real people with the real interest, through Bradley's training, it becomes that much better. Guys, activity, relevance, trust and authority. We're in trusted and authoritative to the max because were inside Google.
Bradley: That's right.
Marco: Relevance because we're targeting whatever it is that we're targeting. I'm not gonna say anything because it's something that's right now only available in the Mastermind. Then, activity on that link. It's relevant activity. People clicking on that link going and acting the way that real people do. Some might not like it and bounce back, many will. But that's what real people do and that's what we're after.
Bradley: Yeah. I'm not gonna reveal the method here either, but exactly what Marco was saying, because that is real genuine traffic that Google knows has an interest in what you're sending them to. So guys, when you're talking about activity and engagement, which is one of the primary ranking signals now, is engagement, it's not just blind engagement.
Again, if you are trying to rank something locally and you're getting clicks from China and Russia and Korea and UK, and I'm talking about in the US, I'm just using this as an example, guys. But if you're getting a bunch of clicks from things that are non-relevant either geographically especially for local stuff or non-topically relevant, in other words it's just kind of like random traffic coming, do you think Google counts that traffic as an engagement signal, the same type, and gives it the same amount of weight as somebody that is in the local area that's clicking from a local IP, likely from a mobile device that is intimately connected to them at all times, that they have a history of being interested in that particular type of content or service or product? Think about that guys, which click, which engagement signal is gonna be given more weight by Google? You already know the answer to that.
It's not that these kind of tools and stuff can't produce some nominal results, they can, but if you wanna get really good results and do it within terms of service, there are alternative ways to do it and it's super, super effective. I mean, super effective. So it's absolutely true.
Marco: I just want to be clear, Fiverr geeks, Fiverr traffic geeks, they get some results. These types of websites, the spam traffic, they get some results. But when you compare them all and compare them to the course that we have, it's night and day. it's just totally different because it's just targeted traffic, people that are targeted to the geolocation so that they interact with whatever it is that you're doing at that level, if that's necessary. If not, then you can adjust to whatever it is that you're doing and get traffic for pennies on the dollar, guys. That's what it's all about.
Bradley: Yeah. Again, topical relevance and geographic relevance, and you can combine both and get super, super good results. It doesn't take a lot of traffic to get good results when you have heavily weighted engagement signals, which is what that is. It only takes a few engagements to get significant results when you have a really targeted audience that Google knows about. All right.
Anyways, we're gonna keep moving. Sorry, I can't give you a better answer on that. Bryan says, “What is the backlog on GMB listings in MGYB purchases. I'm out about four weeks.” Bryan, you'd have to contact support. I don't manage any of that stuff, I'm sorry. Just contact support or send us ticket to [email protected] and we'll get it answered for you. Okay?
Marco: I was just talking to Rob about this to make sure. We have to deal with whatever it is that Google decides. I mean, they were on the show, we don't control them. So we can't say it's definitely this or definitely that, or we'll have it in a day, in seven days or whatever. It takes however long it takes. Some of them are nearly impossible. I believe that Bryan has already contacted Support and gotten an answer.
Now my thing is if you go through Support and then you come here, it just slows the process because then I have to go reach back to support, ask what's going on, track it down, and then they all go and track it down and try to see what's going on when it has already been answered.
The only thing that I can add to this is, guys, we're not in control of this. We're trying to do what we can. Bryan, you're welcome to request a refund. If it gets too long, you're welcome to request a refund and try to find someone who stands behind the product like we do 60-day guarantee replacement. If it gets suspended within those 60 days, we offer a legitimate guarantee. Now how long it takes to get it for you, that's another question altogether.
Bradley: What's up, Daniel? Hey man, the question you asked two weeks ago on Mastermind that we didn't get to because the training went so long, please repost that for tomorrow because the Mastermind webinar is tomorrow and I didn't want to spend some time on that. It was about a GMB question you had. We're gonna have time. I'm gonna be covering specific training tomorrow, but it will be a lot shorter because I just did the Mastermind newsletter entry specifically about that. So that we're gonna do some video training on it tomorrow, but you guys will have the written process.
You guys know how I do my process stocks. Well, you're gonna have the written processes, the newsletter entry that you're gonna get in about two or three weeks, whenever you get the next newsletter. That means my training tomorrow, the video training, will be a bit more streamlined so I should be able to get to your question. All right. I apologize I didn't get to that, man, and it's been weighing on me for almost two weeks now.
Is It A Good Idea To Leverage A Popular Family Name Or Brand To Get Press And Media Attention?
That's a really good question. Yeah. I would think Press Releases would probably be a great way to kind of piggyback off of that name recognition because that's essentially … It's a brand, right? Ravenel is a brand, right? If you can use that … There's a strategy called newsjacking. Look into that, Quentin. Look in the newsjacking. In fact, you could just do a Google search for newsjacking and find plenty of resources, Amazon books, whatever that can teach you the strategy of newsjacking that I think would be perfect for that, for what you're saying here because you have the same last name-, excuse me, as a brand that's well-known in that area. I would use that newsjacking strategy as a way to get some press and some media. It's almost like click bait but in a proper way, in an ethical way.
Again, I don't do a lot of that stuff, I just haven't had the opportunity to, but I'm familiar with that strategy. That's something that I think you could implement here.
Marco, do you have any suggestions for that?
Marco: Entity relationship, man. That's what he'd have to do. Relate his name to the Ravenel Bridge name so that when it comes in the, what they call, the Google auto predict, autosuggest, so when people go looking for the Ravenel Bridge walk, or a Ravenel Bridge run, Ravenel Bridge weekend, all of that stuff, your name comes up in there too. I mean, we've done that, right? Social conditioning?
Bradley: Yeah, social engineering.
Bradley: Newsjacking, go check it out. There's tons of information about it. There's the book, David Meerman Scott, I think is the pioneer of that or whatever, at least the most well-known, but you can find all kinds of information about this free and paid. Just spend some time researching that newsjacking because it's something that I think you could implement and get some significant results that way. Okay. By the way, go to mgyb.co to purchase Press Releases and we'll publish them for you, they're really, really nicely done. Okay.
Gregg. What's up, Greg? You and I got a Mastermind call tomorrow, Gregg. Looking forward to it. We got a lot to catch up on.
Urban Towing says, “Does SerpClix work well for traffic to RYS or is there something else you would recommend?” Again, I'm not familiar with SerpClix. If it's another CT spambot or crowd search, click-through thing-
Marco: It is.
Bradley: -which I imagine it would be. Yeah, I would probably produce some results, I don't know how much. But I would recommend finding some better methods where you can actually buy or get real targeted traffic from real people that may have a genuine interest in your potential product or service. Guys, paid traffic is a good way to do that kind of stuff.
Marco: I actually went to SerpClix and did the math. It's 14 cents per click. We can beat that through your method, can't we, Bradley?
Bradley: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Marco: And this is real people. Real people targeted, remember that. Activity, relevance, trust, authority, that's what you're after.
Bradley: Yeah. Guys, we did … for years, Dan Anton had a product called crowdsearch.me. It works like gangbusters for a long time. Click-through spam was an engagement signal … I call it click-through spam. But that's when somebody does a search on Google for example, keyword search, it could be a brand search, which is called a navigational search.
Guys, you can go to our YouTube channel. You can just go to Google and search crowdsearch.me and you're gonna find this Semantic Mastery webinars. I've done two of them because we did one webinar and I think two years later we did another webinar because it was still working so well. I explained in that webinar, and both of those webinars and great length what click-through spam is and why it works so well.
It was actually a method that I learned way back in 2011 from Ivan Budimir, who was my most influential mentor in the local marketing, digital marketing space. It was Ivan Budimir. He's no longer in the space, but he was absolutely amazing. I learned so much from that guy. He actually introduced that method to me back in 2011 and showed the Google patent. It's not the actual official name of the Google patent, but he always called it site weight.
Site weight. In other words, if all things being equal, if there were two sites that were identical, which we know is impossible, pretty much, but theoretically, if two sites were equally authoritative, like they had the same amount of on-page optimization, the same amount of off-page optimization but one site got navigational search queries, which now in the semantic web is incredibly important, what is a navigational search query?
That's a brand search or a variation of a brand search, like brand plus keyword, or brand a plus phone, like for somebody looking for the phone number of a company, or brand plus location, or brand plus map so that people looking for how to get to that location or get to that company or that store or whatever the case may be. Those are called navigational queries. If all things being equal, there were two identical sites competing brands and one had navigational queries and the other did not, the navigational query site would outrank the other, one hands down, two to one every time. Every time and it was tested over and over and over again. That was because of the site weight algorithm, or filter, or whatever you call that shit. Again, I'm not the patent nerd like Marco. Marco, that's a term of endearment, by the way.
He introduced that way back in 2011 and the strategy then was to hire microtask workers to set up these little gigs. You would pay microtask workers two or three cents or something like that to go do a particular search, preferably with the brand dimension. Then find the link that you told them to find, click through, and then you would tell them, “Go find copy and paste the third word of the seventh paragraph on that page into the answer box,” and the answer box was their proof that they did the task that you assigned.
The reason why you wouldn't just tell him to go click the link and copy because you want them to dwell on the page. That dwell time counted as an engagement signal, right? They would land on the page and then they'd have a hunt for that specific word or phrase or whatever it was that you told them to do that would make the answer. That would be the answer that means they solved the task that you gave them to do. That would create the dwell time, potentially scroll, you might ask them to click through to another page, whatever the task might be, click through to the link, then click through to the contact page, and then leave a message or whatever the case may be. You could set it up multiple different ways, but those were engagement signals way back in 2011 guys and it moved the needle like almost overnight.
The problem was as soon as you would stop paying in microtasks workers within just a few days your rank positioning start falling again because it was all about those engagement signals. Guys, again, this was eight years ago. Well, now, we've just been talking on this webinar alone about how important engagement signals are. So engagement signals are weighted even more now than they were back then.
Now the engagement signals are weighted more because Google can track and knows its users and the users' behavior and their history. That's what I was talking about. If you can get engagement signals from people that are locally and/or topically relevant to the content that you're having them engage with, then that's going to be weighted so much more.
What I'm saying is, again on a local level, if you can get people from a local geographic area that have a history for having an interest in that topic or that product or service as well as being local, a handful of clicks from them can produce better results than dozens or hundreds of click from non-relevant and non-non topically and non-geographically relevant clicks. Does that make sense?
So the click-through spam, and that's what I called it because we were literally spamming click-throughs, isn't as effective as it is when you can get relevant audience to engage because Google understands its audience, guys. Google knows its audience because everybody's connected to Google all the time, right? So it knows what their history is and what their interests are and where they're located and all that kind of stuff.
So that's what I'm getting at. As far as the click-through spam stuff, for a long time it was working really well. Dan Anton's, I think the best bot that came out, which was crowdsearch.me and for I think three, four years, I mean, I used it heavily. I was getting 50,000 credits per month and I was using every bit of them. It worked like gangbusters. But over time, it slowly started to stop working as well. I know that service is still out there. There are potential uses for it but it's not something that I would do to direct to money site anymore. There are better alternatives now in my opinion, which is what we we've been talking about. We did some training about that in the Mastermind a few weeks ago.
It was a good question though. I was worried we're not gonna have enough to talk about today, man, and look, we're almost up. It's awesome. Let's see. “Think of how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupider than that.” That should actually be how stupid the median person is, right? It's awesome. Thanks, Greg.
Okay. Grant says, “It might be easier to just close/delete designed junk email accounts ThAn unsubscribe endlessly.” Yeah. I know what you're saying, Grant, but this is an email account that I've had for, God, 15 years, so it's not something I wanna get rid of. But, yeah, I know what you mean.
By the way, I did all the heavy lifting. Now it's just a daily maintenance thing. If I see an email come in, if that's from something that was unsolicited, I open it, unsubscribe, and then as soon as the unsubscribe is successful, I go back and hit the spam button. Again, most days now guys, I might only get one or two spam emails. There are some days where I'll get five or six or whatever, but almost every day now it's just a bare minimum. So it's manageable now. It just took a little bit of time.
Also, there's a service called unroll.me. Guys, go check it out. Go to unroll.me, especially any of you suffering from shiny object syndrome. Type in your email and it'll take a few minutes to run and it'll come back and show you how many lists you're subscribe to, and tell me it doesn't take your breath away. It's like, holy shit, how did I get subscribed … It's just over the years, you accumulate, you get added to so many subscription lists either voluntarily or involuntarily, a combination of both really.
If you go to unroll.me, it's amazing. It'll just take your breath away when you see how many email lists you're on, and you can start to systematically unsubscribe. Okay.
Chris: You're the nightmare of every email marketer.
Bradley: Yeah. Well, now, I am, yeah. But trust me, a lot of email marketers made a lot of money from me too. All right. Let's see, Walt says, “Not an affiliate link.” Okay. This is the quick, probably the quick … There you go, Grow Your Business With Cold Emails, Jeremy Chatelaine. That's correct. He's got an accent or whatever. It's awesome, guys. Really short book. Look at that, it used to be cheaper, but 10 bucks, buy it, guys, it's worth it. 100% worth it, buy it, and read it. It's a great book for anybody's doing prospecting. Guys, hands down, that has been the best strategy for me that I've ever found. Okay.
I'll keep moving. Grow Your Business With Cold Emails: Everything You Need to Know. Go, perfect. Thanks, guys. I appreciate that.
Daniel, awesome. “Guys, I'm not whining about the GMB question, and I do have faith in SM.” Bryan, I think he took offense to which you said, Marco. Just looking to start implementing building out the local strategy and certainly anxious to get moving.” I totally get it, Bryan. I totally get it.
Marco: Yeah, so do we. I didn't expect or intend again to offend. I just come across that way. I was just explaining that it just takes time. We try to get as quickly as possible. We know all you guys were anxious, but there's only so much we could do when the beast keeps changing shit around.
Bradley: Correct. Yeah. That's one of the issues, guys. Again, we all have to keep changing our methods to get these things done verified and such. I don't even know what they're doing to do it. I don't care. Bryan, I'm just like you. I placed my orders too. I'm not kidding. Guys, I placed my orders just like you do now. I do have a little bit of pull sometimes, most of my orders are in queue still now because they're not critical. But sometimes, for clients, for example, that have requested maps expansion, then I pull some strings to get them pushed forward a little bit. So that's one of the benefits I guess of the CEO.
But for the most part, guys, I'm in queue just like you guys. It's not you guys aren't waiting because I'm getting all mine done. Trust me. I'm waiting too. Awesome. Unroll.me, You're welcome, Grant
All right, guys. We gotta wrap it up. “Marco, you didn't drop an F-bomb on me so I was unsure about the love.” It was Bryan again.
Chris: It's coming.
Bradley: Marco, you got to say fuck just to make everybody happy once.
Marco: Yeah. Let me just close this off with this: fuck Google.
Bradley: All right, there you go. ‘Nuff said. All right everybody. Thanks for being here. Mastermind webinar tomorrow, don't forget. If you did not check out the Syndication Academy update webinar from last week, do it, guys. Super, super powerful stuff. I showed you how to use RSS feeds there with geo-tagging.
By the way, I'm doing a lot of testing with I have it … No, I must already closed it down. No, there it is, RankFeedr. I've got it open. I'm not gonna show my projects. But Lisa Allen's RankFeedr, guys. I know the coupon has expired now. She actually extended it because of the Syndication Academy update webinar that I did last week. I talked about it in there. Although the method that I showed was how to use Feedburner feeds to create local geotag feeds and they're super powerful too, not as powerful as the RankFeedr feeds though because RankFeedr you can splice together and create static or sticky items and you can add the geotag and not just a specific geo coordinate but you can add what's called a geo box, which is like a service area business. Super powerful stuff, guys.
I've been testing really hard for the last week now with the RankFeedr stuff and I'm seeing good results. Again, I know the coupon that she gave is expired, but it's still totally worth it. It's super inexpensive guys for the elite subscription, which I think allows you to create eleven hundred RankFeedr feeds.
Guys, it's a set and forget. You set up a RankFeedr feed one time and you let it go. It just runs for as long as you keep your subscription active and you don't have to do anything else. It will help to create co-citation geographic and topical relevancy on autopilot, guys. I'm telling you and for the elite service the elite subscription level, which again I think is 1,100 feeds, it's $47 a month. It's a no-brainer.
So if you haven't already picked it up, guys, go watch the Syndication Academy update webinar, and go pick up the RankFeedr subscription service, which is how you create those things. I'm only telling you guys, we don't pimp other people's products unless we truly believe in them and I'm endorsing this because it's such a good product and you can go to our website SemanticMastery.com I think it's RSS-authority-sniper-3 I think. You could find the webinar replay and go through that process, if you want to watch the webinar where she talks about it.
But honestly, you don't even need to watch the webinar, just go pick up the damn service because it's really powerful. All right. With that, we're gonna close it out. See you all next week. Thanks everybody. Thanks, Marco. Thanks, Chris.
Adam: All right. We are live. Welcome everybody to Hump Day Hangouts Episode 205. Today is the 10th of October 2018. We've got the whole gang here as well as our special guest, who I will get to in just a moment. But real quick, we're gonna take a minute to say hi to everybody, get through some quick announcements and then we will dive right into it.
Actually, I'm starting to realize, and it only took me 204 episodes to realize, that I think you guys are lined up the same time every single time on my screen, which is interesting. There we go. It only took almost four years. Chris, how are you doing good, man?
Chris: Doing good. Excited to be spot number one here all the time. Love it. How are you doing?
Adam: Can't complain. This is like one of those shower thoughts. It's just this revelation that means absolutely nothing and I feel stupid for having realized it. But, yeah, it's good to know. Hernan, how are you doing, man?
Hernan: Good. I'm excited to be after Chris all the time. Yeah. I'm really, really excited for what's coming. I'm really excited to have our guest today. Also for POFU Live 2018, it's gonna be amazing too.
Adam: Good deal. Well, I'm not trying to skipper on purpose, but I'm not sure if you guys can see we have Lisa Allen as our special guest. We're gonna circle back around to her in just a minute and introduce her a little bit more properly. Marco, how are you doing, man?
Marco: What's up, man? It's great to see Lisa Allen here. She's a good friend of Semantic Mastery. We've had her around before. She does some awesome automation. I'm not gonna take your spotlight, Lisa. You can go ahead and toot your own horn. But it's really good to have you here again joining us. It's always fun to have you on talking about what you've been up to. Thank you for joining us.
Lisa: Thank you for inviting me.
Adam: Good deal. Last but not least, Bradley, how are you doing, man?
Bradley: Okay. I think I just figured out why they're always lined up the way they are. I think it's by alphabetical order by the name in the profile. So it's Adam, Chris, Hernan, Lisa, Marco, and then, for me, it says “you,” Y-O-U. I think it's always alphabetical.
Adam: No, on my screen, you're Semantic Mastery. Yeah, this is a train wreck. Thanks, everybody for watching us. This is what we do every episode.
Bradley: Anyways, I'm glad to be here, glad that Lisa is here. We've got an exciting week ahead of us because POFU Live is next weekend. We're really looking forward to that. I'm actually preparing for that now. That's what I've been doing all day. POFU Live members, I'm really excited about it. I'm excited to have Lisa here. It's been a long time since we had her here so it's good to catch up with her again. She's always got a lot of great insight about the SEO industry and marketing in general. So happy to be here, man.
Adam: Cool. Well, we got a couple quick announcements, like Bradley just mentioned, POFU Live next weekend. If you can make it, we still do, I think there's two or three tickets still available. I'll pop the links on there in a little bit after we get done talking here. But you can still grab those kind of the last chance to do that before we go to shut things down lock in the numbers and all that good stuff.
Also, if you're watching us for the first time, thank you. We've obviously been here. We didn't make up the number. We've been here for 205 episodes. We hope we're here for another 205. Thank you for watching. We really appreciate it. If you wanna ask questions live, that's great. If you're watching the replay, that's fine too. Check us out on YouTube or wherever you're watching us and feel free to ask questions. You can join us live at semanticmastery.com/hdquestions every week.
Bradley: By the way, make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel.
Adam: Yes, which would be right here. So, yeah, subscribe. Also, if you're looking for the place to start with us, the Battle Plan, I'm gonna pop the links on the page for you. This is good for anyone starting, anyone who wants a repeatable process, who's been in the game for a while. It covers a lot of really good aspects of SEO, digital marketing, things for keyword research, working with a new domain, aged domains, all that stuff. Then, if you're ready to take it up a few notches, of course, we do have our Mastermind and we invite you to also check out that and see if that's the right fit for you.
One last thing before we get started, I believe, Marco, that the MGYB store has had some updates, right?
Bradley: Which, by the way, there's still two lessons missing out on Local Lease Pro, one is for citations and one is for Press Releases. Part of the reason those lessons weren't there was I was waiting for our order page to be done on MGYB for me to be able to demonstrate how to order Press Releases through that, guys. The citations stuff, honestly, I've just been really slammed this week. I haven't got the lesson done. But I'm hoping as soon as I get done with Hump Day Hangouts today to record a quick lesson on that. It's very simple. Hopefully, I'll have that up within about 10 or 15 minutes after Hump Day Hangouts today, guys. Any of you that were inquiring about that missing lesson, it will be there shortly. Trust me, it'll be worth the wait.
Adam: Good deal. Any last minute announcements, you guys, before we dive into it?
Hernan: Let's do it.
Adam: All right. Cool. Well, like we said, Lisa Allen is here with us. We appreciate Lisa, you coming on and hanging out with us. Again, for people who haven't seen us over maybe for, about a year I guess was the last time we talked, man, that's crazy.
Adam: Anyways, we talked to Lisa about a year ago. Instead of telling everyone about you, if you don't mind, just kinda get everyone up speed where you came from and what you kind of do online. I think that'd be the best way for people to kind of find out about you.
Lisa: Well, I'm one of those people who always kinda have my hands on everything. I see something that looks interesting and I kinda go that direction. It's just kinda how I got into online marketing, it's how I got into the internet. It's just I see something interesting and I think I could do that, so I go off and I kinda explore what's going on. I really got into the internet first after a divorce, a few, probably like 15 years ago, 20 years ago. Gosh, I'm dating myself.
Adam: Just a couple of years ago, it's all right. I've started seeing the same face.
Lisa: Anyway, I started hanging out. Do you guys remember when AOL was king and there were like all these little local systems with local bulletin board system?
Lisa: [Inaudible 00:06:43]
Chris: Until last year?
Lisa: Well, no, I mean, it's been quite a while. Anyway, that's just kinda where I really hit the internet really hard was after that. Got into working for a company doing web mastering for a while and that kinda flung me off into doing coding. Then I've had an online store, a couple of different online stores, and so I was kind of using my coding along with some of my organizational skills to do that. Then, of course, I ran afoul with Google, and who hasn't done that at least a couple of times? So they kicked me off their ad platform, so then I had to figure out this whole SEO thing.
Adam: What was the timeframe on that? When did you start getting into SEO stuff?
Lisa: I would say that was about 2011, 2012 really because I was running a store for about five years before that and, like I said, I got kicked off. They decided they didn't like the product that I was selling and they booted me off, all my stores got booted off.
Bradley: Lisa, you said 2011 or '12ish, which is crazy, because I remember specifically buying a product that you launched with Peter Garety's help about …
Bradley: It used IFTTT and it was for triggering syndications through Google Calendar using IFTTT. It would resyndicate because you could set calendar events in the future, they would cause it to re-syndicate the video again out to the network. It was amazing training. It was right after I had learned about IFTTT, David Cossack or whatever. It was amazing training. I'll never forget that. That was around 2011, 2012, if I remember correctly.
Lisa: Yeah. I think that was probably 2012 or maybe early 2013 because I had launched something else with Peter about Pinterest. It was how to get traffic using Pinterest which was my first real product.
Bradley: That's with Peter Drew or where Peter Garety? It was Peter Garety, right?
Lisa: It was Peter Garety, yeah.
Lisa: We worked for a while. Yeah. That was actually a lot of fun. I think that may have actually been an add-on to that product, like an extra bonus training. It's funny, the thing I remember about that training is the bonus and not the original training.
Adam: I was just looking around, what's Peter Garety up to? This is a total tangent, but that's just … Yeah. He was coming out with stuff like that.
Lisa: Yeah. I think he decided that he wanted to spend a little more time with his family. As far as I know he built himself his own little shopping cart platform, kinda like Shopify. He runs that and he gets recurring from that. So you see him pop up every once in a while, in JVZoo groups and stuff like that just to say some things, but he's not really promoting really hard anymore.
Bradley: Yeah. I think before he went off the grid he was doing a lot of heavy ecomm, promoting ecomm products and stuff, so I'm assuming that that's what he went into.
Adam: That's right. DashNex. Okay. I was looking this up while we were talking. Okay. Cool. Okay. So sorry about that. We just totally went off the grill there. Okay. We're up to like 2011, 2012, you start getting into the SEO side of things, how did it go from there?
Lisa: Well, I was SEO and things so that I could get traffic for the online store that I had, I was selling jewelry parts. The stuff that I learned while I was trying to rank for things got turned around into products. So we did a curation traffic blueprint where I was teaching people how to curate content and get traffic from that, because that's so much easier than writing original content. You can do it just snap, snap, snap.
So we did that and then I started doing some keyword tools. I just sort of, actually, I think before we got to the keyword tool, the RSS authority sniper strategy that we do, that was something that we had started doing manually. My sister was acting as one of my VAs. It took a long time to do that manually. I mean, it was really effective but it took 15, 20 minutes, sometimes an hour to do that, to look up all the different feeds and then go and do all the copy-paste to put it here, put it there, all that kinda stuff. She started complaining about that, just really, she was really like …
Adam: That's a very real pain point when your sister was complaining to you.
Lisa: Yeah, I know. I'm like, “Okay, I better go code something.” That was where RSS Authority Sniper came from.
Bradley: Which, by the way, that was a great product. I was gonna say you still have Rankfeeder going right now, correct?
Lisa: Yeah, I do. I'm actually just been rewriting the whole feed generation so that I can add more features in. I've got something really neat coming out in the next month or so with Rankfeeder and then a rerelease of RSS Authority Sniper to go with it. It's gonna be the way it targets local places very, very specifically.
Bradley: Oh, man, now you're speaking our language, Lisa. Honestly, guys, we promoted Lisa's Rankfeeder before because it's the co-citation tool using RSS feeds. It's amazing. It's super, super powerful. It's very, very effective. I stand by that statement. Anything that you're gonna be doing that's gonna address local specifically, Lisa, certainly reach out to us. We will get behind that in a heartbeat because about 60% of our RSS is local.
Lisa: I think you're gonna like it because, like I said, we're gonna … Some of the stuff that I've already added in after I finished rewriting the feed generator is I've added the categories that you get to pick into so that they're actually inside the feed and all the tags also get treated as categories inside your feed. I mean, you're getting a lot more power to really target with the feed on an SEO basis, that kinda thing. Yeah. I think you're really gonna like what comes after that.
Bradley: Very cool.
Adam: Sounds awesome. Well, I wanted to make sure we have enough time to cover this. The next question I had, and I love asking this to people, is where do you see, in terms of, I'll leave this really broad, not just SEO, but where do you see either SEO or kind of online digital marketing going in the next couple of years? Then a side question of that, or somewhere else you can go with this, is what's the most important things you see happening?
Lisa: Well, this is a really interesting time for online things. You're seeing a lot of movement, different places, and you're seeing a lot of things happening that people don't necessarily like, you're seeing a lot of censorship, you're seeing a lot of kinda misrepresenting what people are saying and that kind of thing, and you're seeing Silicon Valley really go and start trying to basically meddle in society that they wanna be the … It's like the government isn't big brother anymore, but they wanna be.
I think you're gonna see, and I'm already kind of seeing movement, this is outside of Google's control and outside of Facebook's control. I think as marketers and SEO is we really need to be monitoring those additional places that are coming into the marketplace and start using those platforms and start seeing them because I think that censorship and …
I mean, Google tries to censor SEO people all the time. They try and say, “Well, we don't want you to backlink,” and “We don't want you to do this,” and “We're in control of whether you rank for anything or not.” I don't know any SEO person who actually says, “Yeah, you're right. You can have total complete control over everything I do and say.”
It's like, we find a way around. I think you're gonna see that there's gonna be as they've kinda spread out from just kind of controlling, trying to control SEOs to try and control the wider society. I think you're really gonna see that there's gonna be a lot of movement outside where people are gonna go, “Well, I think that's a little bit too far.”
Adam: Yeah, definitely. It's funny, I think me and Marco came across that article at the same time, but there's one about Tim Berners-Lee working on like a decentralized kind of protocols. I think it's called Solid through MIT. Have you heard about this?
Lisa: No, I haven't heard of that one yet.
Adam: Yeah. Just check it out afterwards. It's an interesting idea, but it's that idea of saying, “Yeah. You know what, no matter what happens, if this turns into a monopoly, which it quickly is, then that doesn't really benefit anyone.” So it was meant to be decentralized in the first place so I think, anyways, I don't know if this is gonna work, but something like that I think appeals to a lot of people.
Lisa: Yeah. You're already seeing movements. A lot of people are moving away from them as their search engine when they're doing their own personal things. I mean, I haven't used Google as my search engine when I'm actually doing research for years. I mean, I've been using DuckDuckGo, and you have places alternatives to Twitter like Gab coming up, and there's a several new video platforms coming up that now that YouTube is really kind of just really been stomping on people. Yeah. I mean …
Adam: I'm just curious, what are some of the new YouTube-, sorry, new YouTube, that's showing how well ingrained it is, what are some of the new video platforms?
Bradley: Well, Amazon Video has got to be one of them, right?
Lisa: What's that?
Bradley: Amazon Video has to be one of them, right?
Lisa: Yeah. Amazon video is a pretty good one, although they also, I don't know, I kinda think that they also have that risk of becoming more of a bully in the future.
Adam: Well, they'll just take over what you're creating and create it themselves.
Lisa: Yeah. Just like they have, like all the little online stores and that people would find a little niche and they would sell something, and then Amazon goes, “Boom. They're selling a lot of that. Let's start our own.” I mean, they've kinda done that, kind of the same way Walmart has done that to the mom-and-pop stores. Amazon is kinda doing that to the online stores.
But the one that I discovered the other day that I actually thought was pretty good was called Real Video. It's real.video. That's not real.video.com. Just the video is the root domain.
Bradley: Real like R-E-E-L or R-E-A-L?
Lisa: It's started by a guy who got deplatformed by Google. It's not a fully developed platform yet, but it seems pretty good for what he's already worked through. You have to get an invitation from them. You have to actually request to be on there, kinda like you did with Pinterest in the beginning. But the player is really nice and they've got kinda sharing capabilities and some other things. I think that's someplace that really you should look into, particularly if you're running content that maybe Google's not gonna like very much.
BitChute is another one, although I think that one's kind of not that good yet.
Adam: BitChute, got that.
Lisa: Yeah. BitChute and, I remember some of the other ones that I've looked at. As far as like Facebook, there's a really interesting new social media place called … What is it called, Minds? Minds.com.
Adam: Interesting. I have not heard … Have you guys heard of this?
Marco: Yeah, I like Minds. I'm in Minds. It's over 100 million people right now.
Adam: I should have known that, Marco.
Marco: It's basically over 100 million people. Come on.
Lisa: Yeah. They're kind of integrated with some of the blockchain payment methods and things like that, so that you can actually pay people for their content in a way that you can't really be tracked and can't really be blocked from making your payment. So there's a lot of interesting things that are going on where people are just kinda going, “I've had enough.” People are starting additional things. It's kinda like people never really thought that MySpace would ever die, but it did. I think you're probably gonna see a little bit more of that movement, away from big consolidated platforms.
Adam: Yeah, that's an interesting-
Bradley: It's gonna happen anytime … I mean, I can see some of the shifting as well, Lisa. I agree with that. Some movement, especially with the Silicon Valley stuff, which you mentioned. I mean, when Facebook and Twitter execs are being dragged up on the Capitol Hill and quite repeatedly for hours and hours and hours, you can rest assured, you can bet your ass that there's gonna be some movements, some changes made.
Lisa: Yeah. I've been shadow banned on Twitter. It's like you go and you post something that's relatively innocuous and you go and search for it, you can search for the exact text of the whole thing and it never comes up in search. That's when you know you've been shadow banned. They never tell you anything, they just want you to just assume that your message is getting out there, but they're not gonna … So, anyway.
Bradley: Yeah. Well, I think it's something that will happen. We, as marketers, are kind of on the cutting edge or of like what the shifting is, but I think the general population is much slower to react.
Lisa: That's true.
Bradley: I think we still have plenty of time to exploit what we can from the big sites.
Lisa: Absolutely. I'm just saying you gotta kinda keep your heads up and be aware that people are starting to move around a bit.
Adam: Well, in terms of what's going on right now, we touched on a little bit, so if you've got some big stuff coming out in like a month, I don't want or expect you just spill the beans right now, but you can you tell us, and if you can't, that's fine, but what it is that you're kind of working on there in a little bit more detail?
Lisa: Well, right now, most of what I've been doing for about the last six to seven weeks is really working hard on the upgrades to Rankfeeder. Now I'm doing RSS Authority Sniper 3.0. This is going to be considered a major release because it's gonna have some really nice extra features in there. That's mostly what I'm working on. Then I have some other plans for some other products after that either re-imaginings or new ones. But that's most of what's right there.
Adam: Good deal. Well, I know, like Bradley said, we'll definitely keep our ears open or rather our email inboxes open for letting us know when you got that ready. That'd be awesome because we got a lot of people who are really interested. Actually, we just had one comment here real quick. I just wanna read it to you because this is pretty awesome. Greg just said, “Hey Lisa. Nice to have Lisa here. She's one of the greatest people as far as support and products go. A big thank you.”
Lisa: Well, thanks.
Adam: That was a very nice comment from Greg. Yeah. I mean, it's good. Obviously, we promote products and services that we like and use. Definitely, yours is up there, not in our minds only, but everyone that we promoted it to has had a lot of good things to say.
Marco: Before we go, I have a question for Lisa. Something that I've been going back and forth with other people. It's more on the coding side and how you see things. The thing is that I've been asking people whether they think that Google is broken, because as you know they just write code on top of code on top of code on top of code. Now what you just said, which just struck me as very interesting, is that you're doing a complete rewrite. So would you agree or disagree that right now at that level Google is broken?
Lisa: I'm not sure that I would say that Google is broken. I mean, you gotta remember they have thousands and thousands of engineers on staff. I'm doing a total rewrite because I didn't like some of what was done by the people who wrote some of the code for me that I paid to write code for me. These are guys who were supposed to be professional and they just, there's things in there that I've just never liked and just thought, uh, that just really bothers me every time I'm in there. But to rewrite it would take so long.
But no, I don't really think Google is broken so much. It's just philosophically they've kind of shifted out of the, do you remember when their motto used to be don't be evil? Well, they seem to have totally and completely forgotten about that. I think it has really become more of a reflection of the fact that they have decided that they have some hatchets to grind and then they really just kinda wanna dominate the market and they've decided that the market also means information and what people think and-
Bradley: And they wanna control and manipulate information, which is what they do.
Lisa: It's absolutely what they do.
Adam: Well, good deal. Real quick, I just want to say I noticed a little bit of a delay on this, if anyone's watching, if you have any specific questions for Lisa, please pop them in there and then we're going to get into the Hump Day Hangout questions.
Jay says, “I like Rankfeeder. Lisa, would love to know if you have any new creative ways on how to use it.”
Lisa: Well, like I said, new features are coming. You're gonna like them.
Bradley: So hold your breath is what you're saying?
Adam: Stay tuned. We'll definitely be asking her the same question in what sounds like a month.
Lisa: Yeah. I think you'll really, really gonna like how you're gonna be able to be getting really, really specific with locations.
Adam: Well, cool. Lisa, thanks again. Like I said, hang out if you want to, if you're busy and got a run, we understand, but we're gonna kinda switch over and we'll do some Hump Day Hangout questions.
Lisa: All right. Well, I'll hang out for a little while.
Adam: All right. Sounds good.
Bradley: Guys, I'm gonna grab the screen and we're gonna get right into it. Lisa, I emailed you the event page URL in case you want to check out the questions so if you want to check out the event page URL. But I'm gonna grab the screen and get into it.
Is There A Need To Put A Summary For The Full-Text Option For The RSS Feed Output Of A Self Hosted WordPress Website?
Number one, we have the attribution link that is either provided by the plugin or you can code that into the IFTTT applet yourself. Either way, if you followed our training, you know that the attribution link is critically important if you're gonna be syndicating the full text of the post. Number two, is if you're using our standard Syndication Network setup, there's only three blog sites that we're syndicating to. So there's only three sites to get the full-text post anyways, right? That's Blogger, Tumblr and WordPress. So it's not an issue.
Essentially, I always like to leave full text posts because, again, it's only being syndicated to really three sites that will republish the entire post anyways. The key is to be using the internal link from within the post itself from your main blog to be linking to the pages of the landing pages that you're trying to rank. By publishing the full text of the post that internal link from within the body, the post body of the blog post itself, will also be published on the blog sites. Right? So Blogger, Tumblr, WordPress. So you get a little bit of additional links, in other words, built back to your original post and also to the page that you're promoting within the post, if that makes sense.
However, if you want to just go summary, that's perfectly fine. I prefer the full post method. But you can go with the summary method, just know that you will lose a little bit of SEO value to your internal page that you're ultimately trying to promote. Because when you syndicate just the summary of the post you will get a link back to the post itself but you won't get any of the internal links that we're within the post body, if that makes sense. Which is still fine because now you're funneling link juice or link equity back to that post, the original post, anyways, which will contain the internal link up to the page that you're trying to promote.
Again, it's 6 and 1/2 dozen in the other really. I prefer the full-text post because it looks less spammy on the blog sites. Think about it, summary posts on blog sites, guys, look spammy because it's just usually a paragraph or a set number of characters and then it's just a dot dot dot or read more or whatever. So in my opinion, on my branded blog syndication sites, which would be Blogger, Tumblr, WordPress, I want the full text post so that it doesn't look spammy. I want it to look nice, right? That's part of the reason why I like the full text post. But again, it's a personal preference, it's not gonna hurt you either way.
Can We Connect DFY IFTTT To GMB RSS Following The Local Lease Pro (LLP) Posting System?
Anybody wanna comment on that? Okay. Peter's up. He says, “Hey. Can we connect Done-For-You IFTTT to GMB RSS following the LLP posting system?” Yes, you can, Peter. I may be doing an additional training video on-, well, not maybe, at some point, probably after or after POFU Live, I'm gonna be doing some updated training for Local Lease Pro members. I'll probably just host a webinar, guys, and invite all the Local Lease Pro members. I'm gonna be talking about some other stuff. I'm working on some other methods right now to push the GMB Maps listings into the 3-pack if they don't appear in there initially from just the initial set up, which is really what the Local Lease Pro method is all about: finding those easy opportunities and securing them with little to no work.
However, there are gonna be some that you're going to attempt that aren't going to rank right away. But don't abandon those, you can certainly get them to produce results or generate leads, but they're gonna need a little bit of additional work. So that's some of the stuff that I'm gonna be covering in update webinar. It will likely be in November before that's available though, guys, because we got a ton other stuff we're working on at the moment.
I'm still testing some new methods too. I can tell you one thing I'm really excited about. Lisa's product coming out because I guarantee you Lisa's product would work very, very well with this Local Lease Pro method since we're gonna be able to use the RSS feeds from the GMB Autoposter to connect with Rankfeeder and create co-citation. I can see that being very, very powerful. So when Lisa's product is ready, I will certainly look into that as part of the Local Lease Pro method as well. Okay.
Again, guys, I don't mean to be hard on you, Nexxus Designs, but that comes up all the time. We cover this extensively in the training as well as in our frequently asked questions in our knowledge base at support.semanticmastery.com. All of that is covered because this question comes up a lot. Don't worry about duplicate content. If duplicate content were a thing on external domains, Press Releases wouldn't work. We all know that Press Releases work incredibly well, so explain that. Right?
“Also, for other companies that need SEO services.” No, we don't provide SEO services. We provide Done-For-You services. However, you could always post your request in one of our groups that you're a member of and see if there are any takers that you could chat with about potentially providing SEO services for you.
Hernan: Yeah. Actually, in our Mastermind, there are some people that have their own agencies. So if you're part of that, you can post there and some Mastermind units will actually pass on work from one to the next and to each other because they're either swarm or that's not their style, there's something else that they're doing and whatnot. So that's a pretty cool community over there.
Bradley: Yeah. I mean, even on the free group, Facebook group, you could still post and there will be … Just be aware that we are not vouching for anybody that you communicate with. In the Mastermind, that'd be a different story, but in any of our other groups, you have to vet anybody that responds to your request. You have to vet them on your own, okay? There's nothing that we can do to help you with that and I apologize.
But, yeah, again, for IFTTT network stuff management, SERP space has a manager. It's a basic manager that basically monitors the networks to make sure that properties aren't down, it'll alert you if RSS feed stop detecting new items, things like that. That's over at Serpspace.com. That's the network management. You can check that out too, if you'd like. Again, that's just a very simple service. It's more of a monitoring service than a management service. It's beneficial when you've got a bunch of networks to maintain.
What Changes Should We Expect To The IFTTT Method Once Google Plus Shuts Down?
Chris Hayes says, “What kind of changes will happen in the IFTTT method once G+ shuts down? Can you guys make a video update?” Yeah, of course, we do. But I mean, it's just one channel that gets shut down. It's not really gonna affect much at all. I mean, G+ is being terminated. We see more evidence of that now than ever. Almost daily we're seeing more and more evidence of that. I just saw an article posted recently in one of our groups about even more steps that Google's taking to remove or to completely shut down Google Plus. But it's only one property, Chris. Don't worry about it. It's one property out of what, two dozen? It's not that big of an issue. I wouldn't sweat it too much.
Will we create an update video? Yeah, sure. I mean, we do update webinars, although we're gonna be probably shifting or changing how that's handled too. But anyways, in one of the upcoming update webinars, we will discuss that a little bit more. In fact, I'm gonna make a note of that right now.
Marco: Yeah. While you're making a note, let me just say that there's plenty more Google properties that we can abuse besides Google Plus, which we do. If you're a part of RYS Reloaded you know just how many properties we go into and just totally hammer away at Google.
When Will You Add Citations Lessons In Local Lease Pro?
Bradley: Yep. Okay. Peter says, “Hey again. When you'll add citations lesson in LLP Local Lease Pro?” I'm hoping to add that today. If it's not done today, it'll be done tomorrow, Peter. It's just a quick lesson, very, very simple. I'm just gonna point you to a resource that's affordable for monthly citation packages, which is what I recommend. But I'll create a quick video explaining it too, okay? It should be there today. If not today, it'll be there tomorrow for sure.
Will The Video Power House And Network Management Subscription Services Be Moved To Mygb.co From SerpSpace?
Bradley: Syndication Networks. All I would recommend, Ritchie, is just go check MGYB often. But, yeah, video powerhouse, maps powerhouse, network management or monitoring, that's all staying under Serpspace. Okay.
Is It Still Worth The Time To Keep Using Rank Feeder For Co-Citation Now That Google Plus Is Shutting Down?
I mean, there's still plenty of other RSS options out there. Remember, with Rankfeeder, those of you that are familiar with it, you can also add sticky items which aren't even RSS feeds, they're just singular-, excuse me, single URLs and you can add those as sticky items to blend in with the overall feed to create that additional co-citation. Again, Google Plus is just one of many different things that you could include into Rankfeeder.
Lisa, do you wanna mention something about that?
Lisa: Yeah. Actually, if you are using some of the Google Plus feeds in some way, what happens when a feed disappears is that Rankfeeder just starts ignoring it. If it ignores it a certain number of times, like for a long period, then it will just be removed. But since you can go in and edit your feeds, they're not one-shot and you're stuck with whatever you put in there, you can also go and replace the missing Google Plus RSS feeds with other things.
Bradley: There you go.
Lisa: You can completely update it and you keep them fresh and relevant with the same URLs that were generating power for you up till that point.
Bradley: Kay Dee, a couple of options would be Google Plus-, or excuse me, Google sites, also the GMB, if you're using Google My Business stuff, it's for local, if you're using our autoposter, which generates a RSS feed from the GMB posts, that's something else that you can include. There's a lot of snazzy stuff that you can do with it. So Google Plus, G+ was just a one piece of many that go into that. I wouldn't worry about it, guys. Google Plus is not that big of a deal that it's shutting down. That's the nature of the internet marketing world, right?
Lisa: Yeah. I think it's really a relative nothing in terms of never really … I know a lot of people hopped on there to try and get SEO benefits from it because, as we all know, that Google favors their own properties. But as far as being a real social network, I don't think it ever really caught fire and really caught on. I think that's why they're dumping it. I'm kinda surprised they didn't dump it sooner because it just didn't do that well.
Bradley: Yeah. It's interesting. I remember all the way back in, I think 2010, '11, when I started my career in digital marketing that Google Plus, I remember articles coming out all the time, the big curated SEO sites like Search Engine Journal and all those sites, and also like social media examiner and all that, all the time I remember articles coming out saying, “Google Plus is dead,” “Google's killing Google Plus,” this and that.
For years I've seen articles like that. I used to laugh at it because for a while there Google Plus was so integrated into all of Google's products and it was really as part of the onset of the semantic web. When Google started to adapt semantic web technology and I think they were using Google Plus as kind of a identity validator. Right? It was a way to associate a profile with an individual, like a Google account with an individual, and then that way it would attach that profile or identify that person as being real because that Google Plus was now integrated with all of other Google's products. I think it was a way to, originally, was to kind of reduce spam, believe it or not.
I didn't think that they were ever going to shut it down. But apparently after just being beaten to death in the social media world by all the other platforms for so many years, Google finally decided to remove it. They've been taking steps for, what, the last year and a half, two years. I think it really started when they pulled Google Plus out of YouTube, when they disintegrated or when they pulled Google Plus out of YouTube. Remember, guys, in order to have a YouTube channel, you have to have a Google Plus account. I think when they separated those two is really the start of the demise of Google Plus. Anyways, that was a good question.
Does A Google Site Created Through The GMB Profile Show Up In The Organic Search Results Or Is Only Accessible Via The GMB Profile?
In either case, they're available and they're both indexable which means they're public. Publicly viewable to anybody, right? GMB websites as well as Google sites, sites.google.com are both indexable so anybody can see them. You don't have to be logged in through a profile to see them, unless they're just not indexed yet. But just be patient, the windex provided you guys some content on there and they'll be fine.
Marco: The business site indexes within an hour.
Bradley: Yeah. The business site index is really quick, yeah.
Marco: And it does rank.
Marco: There's things that you have to do to make it rank, which is taught in Local GMB Pro or you can just go and ask me in Local GMB Pro how to get that website to show up and rank. But I mean, it does. It's a great asset.
Bradley: I'm curious because I haven't worked on this project in months. Yeah. Right there, it's Mario's-, excuse me, right there, it's the business site for, this was the case study I did for Local GMB Pro and that's the business site right there. That's the GMB website right there, guys, and it's ranked number two for the brand search. See that? Yelp outranks the brand search, that's crazy. But there you go, business site right there. So, yes, it will rank.
Does Google Ranks Mobile Responsive And Stand Alone Mobile Specific Site Differently?
Number two, “For ranking purposes, does Google look differently at mobile responsive site and a standalone mobile-specific site? If you're targeting mobile searches only, can you rank in standalone mobile-specific site without forwarding a desktop site?” Yeah, you can. I don't know. Marco might know this. But does Google look at differently between mobile responsive and standalone mobile specific sites? I don't know. I know that a lot of responsive sites like WordPress themes that are responsive WordPress themes are coded really shitty. They suck and they're terrible for the mobile algorithm, a lot of them are. They might say that they're mobile-friendly, but they're just coded really poorly. Again, I'm not a coder so I don't understand any of that stuff, I just know that some of those mobile responsive WordPress themes suck in the mobile first index, they don't perform well.
In the past, I would create just an HTML landing page as a mobile and put it on an M-dot subdomain and then use a redirect script, a PHP redirect script to point any mobile browsers to the HTML mobile page. But I've even stopped doing that because, honestly, I'm not even really building, I'm doing everything in GMB now, which is all GMB code and it's all mobile responsive and mobile-friendly and everything else. I'm not even building WordPress sites at the moment.
Marco, what can you say about that?
Marco: I'm with you. I haven't built a WordPress site in quite a while. Mobile responsive versus standalone, I would think that there would be no difference as long as they're mobile responsive. Check it and make sure that it is actually mobile responsive and that it validates. Right? Other than that, I'm sorry, but dude, we're doing everything inside the Google My Business-
Bradley: Or Google, period. Like sites.google.com, those are mobile responsive now, especially the new ones. They look great too.
Marco: The classic were also responsive. All you had to do was take a box while you were working on it to make it mobile-friendly.
Bradley: Yeah. That's it. Guys, I'm not trying to discourage you from creating WordPress sites. I just, honestly, I'm building my business completely within Google right now, just because they're free, number one; number two, it's easy and fast. As long as it's working I'm gonna do it. I can always go back to WordPress as needed. There's a lot of headaches that come along with working in WordPress, like all the stupid updates and hosting issues. It's just a lot of stuff that I'm so glad I'm not having to build a bunch of WordPress sites right now. It's been refreshing.
Is It True That Google's Recent Change On Mobile First Indexing Affects Ranking?
But if you're using stuff that is responsive and it passes like that, there's even a tool that Google has for testing that, then you shouldn't really have an issue. Right? I mean, at least that's what I found. What I found was really interesting is you said it doesn't change the fact rankings, it doesn't change or affect ranking much.
But what we've been finding, especially because of the GMB stuff that we've been doing inside of Google My Business, is that we're really speaking directly to the mobile algorithm with GMB posts and all the stuff that we're doing with proximity and geolocation and all of that stuff is speaking directly to the mobile first algorithm, which is awesome because we're able to get results even if they're ranking, and I'm using air quotes, doesn't show that we're ranking well, we're still able to generate clicks to the website and calls, generate leads essentially, from stuff that the rank trackers are showing aren't ranking well. So explain that.
Well, that's because we're tickling the mobile-first index. That's what Marco calls “the google tickle.” Right? That's one of many that we have. But that's exactly what we're doing, is because we're using geolocation and proximity and all of that stuff to be able to serve our content directly to mobile searchers in the area where they're searching. Again, that has to do with the mobile first index.
Guys, this has opened up so much opportunity, in my opinion, since the end of July when this was really rolled out. We've been reaping the benefits of these opportunities for the GMB Pro method and Local Lease Pro method now for the last few months, last couple of months. It's awesome because, as I've mentioned on previous Hump Day Hangouts, guys, I used to always just target my primary keywords for local stuff plus local modifiers. In other words, it would be whatever the service or product was plus the local modifier.
That's always how I optimize for everything up until this summer. Now I'm optimizing for just the general product or service keywords and I'm getting crazy results. I'm generating more leads now than ever because we're able to get those short tail search queries, we're able to get results and get traffic from those because we're talking directly to the mobile first algorithm.
People that are searching for mobile, typically, unless they're searching for a product or service outside of where they're located, like in another area that they're going to be going to, typically, people when they start to search for a product or service from a mobile device, they'll start typing their query and then they're just gonna hit whatever the suggested phrase pops up that Google suggested to them that's closest to their intended query. Most of the time Google is going to suggest without local modifiers. So that's what they're tapping on now and that's what our content is optimized for those terms without the local modifier because of where we're publishing the content is within close proximity to that searcher. Right?
Again, it's a little bit more advanced than what we typically cover on Hump Day Hangouts, but it works really, really well. If you're basing any of your tracking now on any desktop, laptop search result stuff, guys, stop it. Okay? Stop it. Just be paying attention to mobile stuff. That's why part of the reason I always talk about using Google Ads ad preview and diagnosis tool because then you can go in and actually set a location. Within Google, you can specify a location and then do a search there and you will see what the search results should look like to somebody in that specific location. You can't really do that with rank trackers anymore.
Okay. Anyways, that was a good question, Gordon. Go ahead.
Marco: Let me just add that we keep seeing a direct correlation between activity in the Google My Business listing through everything we do through Local GMB Pro. Everything that we teach inside Local GMB Pro, there's a direct correlation with activity, and then even in organic, it brings up the organic rankings.
Marco: I mean, you can see it. You'll see the amount of keywords that you're ranking for blow up in search console. To the point where you're ranking for hundreds of keywords that you never thought would be attainable and all of a sudden that's right there. If you just look at organic, you would never know how that was done, but we know that we're doing all of the work in the Google My Business listing.
Bradley: Yeah. One of the other things I wanna mention is, and we've kind of talked about this in some of our other groups, guys, but I don't want to give out too much, but this is a nice little nugget. Guys, go into your GMB Insights. For those of you doing local, which again it's most of you, go into GMB Insights and take a look at the search queries that have brought engagement to your listing, and extract those search queries that are relevant, which most of them will.
By the way, you're gonna see a lot of near me and near my location and stuff like that type of keywords right now. I mean, that's why it's all mobile stuff, guys. It's all mobile search stuff. If you extract those keywords from the GMB Insights report that are relevant and start promoting those in GMB posts and content, then you'll start getting more and more traffic for those. It's crazy. It's like Google tells you which keywords are bringing you traffic and then you promote those keywords and it brings you so much more. It's crazy. It's just like Google's giving you the keys to the kingdom right now, guys.
Again, I don't know how long it's gonna last, but while it does exploit it. Okay. Jordan. What's up, Jordan? He says, “Is anyone here an Amazon SEO guru?” I am not. I don't think any of my partners are either. “Needing help with a potential client, either white-label or we'll give them to you for finder fee, and I don't wanna learn that mess.” I don't blame you, Jordan. “It's not our wheelhouse nor do I want it to be. Staying large regional and national focused. Hit me up [email protected]”
Hernan: Isn't Jordan on the Mastermind?
Bradley: I'm sorry?
Hernan: Isn't Jordan on the Mastermind?
Bradley: No. He's in Syndication Academy but in Mastermind.
Hernan: Okay. Well, I mean, in the Syndication Academy group, maybe you can find somebody.
Bradley: Yeah. I was going to ask Lisa if she had any advice on ecommerce SEO or Amazon SEO.
Lisa: Well, just make sure you're in a cart that is friendly to SEO URLs. Also, one thing that I found when I was doing my store, now I've sold my store several years ago to somebody else, but one thing that I did find is that the RSS for products actually will help boost the products quite a bit. So if you have, make sure you get a cart that has the ability to have RSS feeds for product categories. Then go and submit those feeds to all kinds of different aggregators, you'll get quite a boost. I mean, it was really amazing what we found when I had a VA doing that for me.
Greg, first of all, don't worry about it. Most of them are probably indexed, they're just in the supplemental index, because that's the nature of Press Releases. Because it's the same content, right? Guys, don't associate duplicate content penalties with this, with what I'm talking about here because that's not the case. But if a press release which is republished word-for-word across hundreds of sites, Google will take those and many of them and put them in what's called the Supplemental Index.
I'm going to show you exactly what I mean here to demonstrate. Okay? Right here, this is press release title that I just had published for the project that I built out for the Local Lease Pro training. Okay. This was just published, well, just a few days ago, anyways. You can see that I just did a search for the title, which is showing digital journal here, right? So this was just published, I don't know, just a couple days ago. Anyways, you can see that that's the full title of it, right? That's what's showing digital journal. It's the only one that's indexed on this page.
But if you look down at the bottom where it says “In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the six already displayed.” Well, I don't see six displayed, I see one, unless they're talking about five images here, which they might be. Yeah, I guess they are, because the rest of those are ads.
But if you take a look and click on the Supplemental Index, all of a sudden here it shows up, there's five of them that are showing as indexed. By the way, that's why, this was just published 12 hours ago. That's why not all of them have even been indexed yet. So if we were to come back and search this again in another 24 hours, it's likely that there will be dozens and dozens of results. They're probably still gonna be hidden behind the Supplemental Index, you have to click that link at the bottom to see all of them. But what happens is you end up with most of that.
Now again, don't worry about getting them indexed, Greg, you'll drive yourself absolutely crazy if every time you submit a press release you go collect all the links from the report and then submit them to indexers. That's a lot of additional work. Don't worry about it. Those news sites get crawled often by Google, they will get indexed. Whether they show or they're put in the Supplemental Index, it doesn't matter, Google knows about them. Trust me. So don't worry about that because you're just adding additional work, you're over-complicating, which you don't need to.
Okay? I'm not picking on you at all, Greg. I understand why you may worry about that. But a lot of people have asked us questions about Syndication Networks and the links not being indexed. But if you go in the search console and you look at links to your site, you'll see WordPress, and Tumblr, and Diigo, and all the sites within the syndication network do have backlinks pointed to the site, and Google knows about them. Whether they're indexed or not, it doesn't matter, Google knows about them and is giving you credit for them. We've even tested no index PBNs, guys, and it's worked. It's given us boosts.
Again, don't worry about that, you'll drive yourself crazy, Greg. All right. We've only got about five more minutes, guys. I do have to leave pretty much on time today. So we're gonna try to roll through just a couple more questions.
Marco: It's not only the replay, I'm putting everything together. Right? I have to put together all of the training, the video that I did showing, well, you know what it does, from S3 to CloudFlare. I'm also giving them tutorials for CloudFlare and S3 buckets. I'm trying to put everything together. It doesn't help when I have people reaching out to me. The video was still, I think I told you guys, it was rendering and people were already reaching out to me for the replay webinar. It doesn't help, guys. It'll get done when it gets done. As soon as it gets done, it'll be made available.
Bradley: Scott. “Finally got a plumbing client onboard for GMB account that was set up with your service. The account was sitting just outside the 3-pack when it was first verified. Now in the 3-pack with just a small amount of effort after week one. Location population for a city of 125K. Thanks, guys.” That's freaking awesome, Scott. I love that you posted that. That's amazing. Guys, I mean, it's crazy, even the site that I just was showing you guys, the press release for Mustang 3 pros, I just set that up last week, and 12 hours ago, the press release was published and I'm sitting in the number four position right now, if I do a localized search, like I said, using …
Anyways, my point is, guys, it's sitting in position number four and I still haven't done citations to it yet, I haven't really done any GMB posts other than the original post that I did. So I mean all the stuff that I teach in Local Lease Pro, guys, hasn't even been applied to that yet and I'm already in the number four position in maps. So think about that. Scott is just validating what I've been talking about, guys. You do the research properly on the front-end and then you optimize the profile when you first set it up, or get it back from us if you're using our service.
So far, about 60% of the time, for me, that's all it takes to get into the 3-pack. Doing the other stuff that I'm doing right now, which is the GMB posts press releases, and then monthly citations, I'm seeing like almost, out of the remaining 40%, another 15 to 20% of those within the first seven days get pushed into the 3-pack. The remaining ones that aren't pushed into the 3-pack, it just requires a little more of the same. Just more of the same, so more GMB posts, perhaps another press release, perhaps another month of citation building, something like that. Right? That's all it takes.
We're also working on some additional methods right now, guys, for pushing those listings that aren't popping into the 3-pack. Yeah. I'm working on some other methods too and I'll update you guys on that probably in November. All right.
Is There Any Limit On The Number Of Links You Can Throw At An RYS Project And Not Get Penalized?
Bradley: Okay. Number two, “Also, even though my client already has one RYS project produced, is there an additional benefit to doing another and another or should we just be beating the shit out of the one that's already done?” No. There is benefit, Jeff. It just depends. It really depends on what your setup is and your configuration, your site structure, all that kind of stuff. Marco, what would you suggest?
Marco: I would suggest that, if he's a member of RYS Academy Reloaded, that he reaches out to me in there because we did a webinar telling you exactly what you need to do with that one drive stack and how to power it up to get even more power out of it, and just continue getting power out of that same stack.
Bradley: There you go. The last thing, he says, “If you haven't pimped your research service yet, do so now. It rocks.” I'm assuming he's talking about the keyword research service yet. Is that available? That's live in MGYB now, isn't it?
Marco: Keyword research? No, it's not live yet. We've done sales of it. I mean, we could try doing another one, maybe next Hump Day. For you guys attending live, we'll have a few keyword research projects available that you can take advantage of. But, yeah, it's coming. It's just getting hooked up into the marketplace-, excuse me, the MGYB store.
Bradley: Yep. Okay. I just saw Eddie said … Thanks for that, Eddie. “I'm not an SEO or a CEO, but the way Bradley teaches makes it easy to understand and great for newbies.” He's talking about Local Lease Pro. “What is the best way to bill or charge the business?” I'm pretty sure that's covered in the training, Eddie, but I'll double check when I'm in there adding the citation lesson. If it's not, then I'll make a note to add another lesson specifically about how to bill or charge a business. Honestly, I just use PayPal for that, but you can get as creative with that as you want. Anyways, I'll make a note of that if it's not in there and I'll add a lesson for it. Okay?
Everybody, I wanna thank you guys for being here. Lisa, thank you for sticking around even for the additional time.
Lisa: It was awesome to be here.
Bradley: Awesome, guys. Thanks everyone else. We'll see you guys next week. Lisa, please keep in touch with us and let us know about the updates.
Lisa: I will. I definitely will. I think you're gonna love them.
Bradley: Great. Thank you guys. Bye.
Hernan: Bye guys.
Marco: Bye everyone.
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