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Adam: Alright, we are live Welcome everybody to Hump Day Hangouts. This is one where I get all hopped up on a bunch of cold drugs and pills and pretend like I'm not sick for a little bit. But this is Episode 244. We're glad you're here. This is your first time joining us. Thanks for being here, you're in the right place. If you are on Youtube, you're kind of in the right place. But you should come over to https://semanticmastery com./HDquestions and that's where you can actually ask the questions and interact. But real quick before we get into stuff, we got some really good announcements, some fun stuff coming up. Just want to say hello to everyone real quick. I'll start on my left. Chris, how you doing?
Chris: Doing excellent as always.
Adam: There's always a good deal. Good deal with your situation. Back to normal in Australia.
Chris: Yeah, it's pretty good. Like, many people think it's chilly because we are like, I don't know, between 18 to 20 degrees right now, which is like 20 degrees less three in Celsius, obviously. But yeah, I like it that way for me to be better. I can work. I can do my projects. I can hit the gym and stuff. I don't have to sweat all day and actually can go out and stuff as well. So I'm super happy. I can't complain. How are you doing?
Adam: Good, good. Except for the cold. It's, it's nice. I'm one of those people man when I get a cold I just turned into like a hibernating bear. I don't want to go outside. off that it's sunny and nice outside. I just want to sit here be pissed off. But yeah, that's me. I'm happy. I'm here though. today. We got like I said some good stuff. But Marco, how are you doing?
Marco: Dude, edibles have great medication. It won't cure the cold, but you'll feel a whole lot better as a cure. what ails you, it'll, it'll make you feel better.
Bradley: We're going to Denver in October, man.
Chris: It's leaving Air France to them in Europe.
Marco: There you go. You guys, you guys are incorrigible.
Adam: POFU Live is going to take on some new weird meaning. So
Bradley: we're going to have the hump day hang out while we're there. And we'll all be big.
Adam: Bradley, how you doing?
Bradley: Good. I'm happy to be here. Excited about a lot of stuff going on with my business and some new stuff we got going on next week in the mastermind. Well, for a small group. Things are good. I started a new business, it's really kicking ass. Somebody's got a question about it. So I'll get to that here in a minute when we get to questions, but it's been really fun. Applying digital marketing to a new business model that's not specifically a marketing business, there's a lot of marketing to it. All businesses require marketing. That's what we do as marketing consultants, right, we help businesses grow by improving their marketing. But it's you know, as a marketing professional, we typically are working on other companies marketing, not so much our own, you know what I mean? Like to grow our own businesses, even as a, as an agency, a lot of the marketing that I've done for my own agency, which really hasn't been a lot has come from word of mouth. And, you know, a lot of outbound marketing, not so much inbound marketing, and it but as soon as we get a new client or several clients, whatever, we end up working on those businesses, right, so we help other businesses grow. Instead of a lot of time growing around, of course, the more clients we get, the more we grow. But it's just interesting to start another business where I'm generating leads for my own business. And it's an in applying all that I've learned, and kind of perfected over the years to my own business. And watching it grow rapidly, which I've done for others, but not so much myself. And it's just really interesting to see the different dynamic, to be in different shoes, so to speak. I'm still a marketing professional. But now I'm applying it to my own business. And I'm watching that really take off. And it's, it's been a pretty cool experience. And so that's something that we're, you know, I'm really excited about and we've got some pretty cool things going on in the mastermind in a smaller group within the mastermind, specifically around that kind of stuff. So nice. Excited to be here.
Bradley: Yeah, next Thursday, we're doing at 4pm Eastern, an MGYB kind of Syndication Academy update webinar, where we're going to be talking about how to get the most I guess the most bang for from press releases, how to get the best SEO effect and for driving traffic. And we're going to talk a little bit about PR stacking and how to how to do that the PR stacking method, and also how to get just how to even add more power to the press releases into the PR stacking method. And so it's again, that's going to be kind of an mg ye webinar, as well as the Syndication Academy update webinar, because there's a way that you can apply the PR method to a syndication network to and use that as another way to amplify the PR the press releases. So I would highly encourage you guys to go check that out, it's going to be cool, we're going to talk about, you know, again, you can get press releases from MGYB, which is the same service that we all use. And they're very, very powerful if you know how to how to do it correctly. So we're going to be talking a lot about that a lot of the stuff that will be talking about has actually really ever only been explained fully before in Local PR Pro. So we're going to touch on some of those concepts in the webinar next week.
Adam: Very cool. Awesome. Yeah. So everyone, stay tuned, you'll be getting if you're on the email list, you will be getting an update about that and some information about where that's going to be at and how you can get there. If you are not, and you're watching us today, you can just head down on the page and get signed up below. If you're watching this at https://semanticmastery com./HDquestions, you can just sign up right there. And that's how you get notified of all this stuff along with flash sales. Lot of the content we put out as well. So I think that'll do it you guys anything else before we dive in?
Chris: Yeah, I highly recommend to subscribe to the YouTube channel.
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Bradley: Okay, good. So I set up a YouTube ads campaign to help them prove our subscriber increase our subscribers and are like 90% up from the last 28 days with just a very small ad spend. So it's pretty cool guys, you can use YouTube to do that kind of stuff, you know, buy ads to increase subscriber rates and it's very inexpensive.
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Bradley: Awesome. Let me grab upsets the wrong button. All right, let's get into questions. We have quite a few already, which is good. See, I guess we start with Justin T. Let me actually blow this up a little bit, guys.
How Would You Brand A Lead Generation Asset In A Photography Niche?
Alright, hey guys, thanks for everything. I'm in the process of setting up my first lead generation asset I'm going after the photography niche. Should I brand the site like any other photographer? example, shutterbug photography, or should I go with something like Edmonton photographer.com? No. Go with a branded name, or branded domain if that's what you're talking about because you're much better off with brand guys. With a brand, excuse me a branded domain and a branded like a brand name than trying to use exact match keywords or exact match keyword domains. Those are all. Like, you know, we don't recommend that for many reasons, because it's it looks spammy, it sounds spammy. For GMB assets. Specifically, you want to try to get away from doing anything spamming, including the name itself. And also exact match domains typically will trigger penalties a lot easier or quicker with a lot less, it takes a lot less, in other words, to trigger a penalty, because even a soft penalty, because again, it's already optimized right off the bat. And so everything that you do has that additional layer of optimization. And so I don't recommend that at all. If you're new to the SEO game, then I completely understand why you would think that that might be something to go after, you know using exact match keyword domain and perhaps, you know, an exact match or even partial match keyword for the brand name itself. But I recommend that you go with something that's branded Instead, it will allow you to get away with a lot more SEO stuff without actually triggering a penalty. Any comments, guys?
Bradley: Yeah. And so the next question is from him as well. And he says, and so it clarifies this first question. He says, I'm confused how I branded this thing, especially when it comes to the GMB. Is it a photography company branded like a regular business? Or is it something like wedding photography, location name, if it is set up as a business, then when someone calls once they be confused when another business that they are sent to? Yeah, and so, you know, there's, and I've talked about this a lot and Local Lease Pro on how to resolve that kind of an issue. So typically, what, what I've done in the past is I would set up kind of a generic type name. But again, it would still be a brand name, not a, an exact match keyword because, or even for that, for that matter, a partial match keyword. So for example, I use tone prose a lot like I would use the city name home Pros for like remodeling or general contractors and things like that because it's, it's, you know, it's a related type term. But it's not something that is a keyword that people typically search for people don't search for Remodeling Contractors by typing in, you know, home pros, but it makes sense because it's related, right. And then once the assets would rank and start producing, when I would find a service provider that wanted to purchase the leads from me or lease the asset from me, however, however, we you know, whatever agreement we came to, then after a few months, if they had proven themselves to be good service providers, and it looks like they were going to be long term, then I would rebrand it. Okay.
And that's part of the reason why we've talked about not building citations. There's a number of reasons why you don't want to build citations for lead generation asset. One would be if you plan on rebranding it because then you have to go back and update all of the existing published citations. But the other thing is if it's a spam GMB, in other words, if it's a Google My Business address, that you use to verify or excuse me, a listing that you've got verified, that you don't have access to the actual address where it was verified to, then you don't want to build citations, because that once you start building citations, naturally, that physical location will start receiving mail, as solicitation offers from marketing companies, and directories and other all kinds of things. And it will be addressed to that business name. So if you purchased a GMBs that it was verified by somebody else, then you don't want to do citations. Because next thing, you know, you're going to start getting business mail sent to that location. And it could very well very easily be reported by whoever's at that location, right, whether it's a business or a residential address, somebody is going to be getting mail that's addressed to a business that doesn't actually exist there. And so that's one reason I said, don't build citations. But another is if you are going to rebrand it, for the service provider that you end up ultimately, you know, securing for that location or for purchasing that lead those leads or whatever, then you also don't want to be you don't want to build citations, right? So that's why I said if you're gonna if you're going to do one of the things that I've done, as far as how do you resolve that? Well, we would I use a call center for all of my lead generation assets, where the calls go directly to you know, what I use? It's called AnswerConnect, answerconnect.com and I set up a script where they answered the phone. And so let's say that it's, you know, shutterbug photography is the name of your business, right, your lead generation asset. And let's say it's going to Joe Smith photography is the actual photographer that's going to be handling it, then I, the way that I would set it up is that the call center would answer it as shutterbug photography, part of the Joe Smith photography group, or something like that. And so it's just a way to inject the actual business name, that the leads are going to be serviced by into the introduction or the greeting that the when the caller answers the phone. So again, you know, I've said this many times, if you're going to be building lead generation assets, you're better off using a call center, if you're going to be directing leads, or you know, the field having calls coming in. Because another reason why you want to do that, and I talked about this, I think in the last week, last month, Hump Day Hangouts is because when you start getting calls, if you direct the for forward the phone number directly to the business, unless they have a full-time receptionist in a photography photographer might, unless they have a full-time receptionist, they're going to get hammered with a bunch of solicitation calls. It's funny how when you rank a Google asset or rank on the first page, but primarily in maps, when you rank in maps, all of a sudden, you start getting a bunch of calls from marketing, and advertising agencies, like Yelp, is one of them. Again, I use contractors a lot as examples. But home advisor will absolutely start hammering contractor lead generation assets, with phone calls, trying to sell them leads. And so and it's funny that that only happens once you're ranked on page one, when you're ranked on page two, when you really need those types of lead, like in other words, I would you know, as I would think as a marketing and advertising agency, they would be targeting page two, but they're always targeting the page one people. So anyway, my point is, is that the business will get inundated will get hammered with solicitation calls. And so that could actually piss a business off. And I know it because I've been doing this for years. So that's why I always recommend setting up a lead or excuse me a call center, because the call center will screen the calls and filter out the solicitation calls, those won't ever go those messages won't get to the business, it's going to be purchasing leads from your leasing asset, or however you work it out. Now, if they got a full-time receptionist, the reception, that's the receptionist job, you can still forward it to them. But in that case, I would have a whisper on the line. Right? If you if you're directing the phone calls directly to the business and the business has a receptionist or somebody that answers the phone regularly, then I would put a whisper on the line that states that the call is coming from your lead generation asset. So for example, if again, if you're if you named it shutterbug photography, I would have the winner per se shutter call from shutterbug photography or call from shutterbug, or something like that, so that when they answer the phone, they're going to hear that, right as soon as they pick up the phone.
Marco: Yeah, I hate doing a whole bunch of work for you know, when it's possible that you're going to get shut down. Think about this. And I mentioned this in another group that I was talking to, so has an Uzi right now. And they're just blasting anything that moves. Why in the fuck would you stick your head out right now? It's really that simple. Think about it. So that's happening. Someone's got the Uzi out there shooting anything that moves, you don't stick your head up, you turn around and get and get the fuck out the way. So right now just leave it alone. And the way to do it is you go to local GMB Pro, which is totally you can work in somebody else's asset, right, a real company with a real GMB. And if anything happens, you can go and ask for it to ask for the suspension to be removed. So a whole lot simpler, you can still apply all of the principles that are taught to this area except that controlling the asset has become just almost impossible, I'm not gonna say impossible because nothing's impossible, somebody will figure something out. Another way to get around Google and it'll go wide open again, Wild West. But in the meantime, it's almost impossible for you to control the asset. It means that if it gets suspended, there's no way for you to recover the asset, you just have to let it go. And now you lost whatever however much time you invested in it. That's another one of the reasons why, you know, all this time, time is always is so valuable, that I had to come up with a way instead of rebranding these assets I didn't for somebody else come up with to come up with it with a simple solution. So that I wouldn't my staff or I wouldn't have to go through all the work of rebranding with it. And that's just giving the person that answers the phone. A simple line couple of seconds. Yeah. And that takes care of everything. Think about how much time you just save. If you do it that way, then if you do a brand and you try to rebrand. So it's time Don't waste all that time on shit that might not pay off and it might you might get away with it. And I mean, if you are willing to take the risk, then go ahead and gamble on and I'd rather go on work on something that I know is going to be around for a while and especially if it's a client or something that's really important. That's making me money. I don't want to lose it. Agreed.
Do You Have Any Case Studies That RYS Stacks Benefit Authority Sites In Broad Niches?
Okay, next is I am building out an authority site and health niche. It seems that our wise stacks are geared towards local GMB assets. Do you have any case studies that are wise tax benefit authority sites and broad niches? Well, they most certainly do. You know, Marco always says local is relative. Right? So it really, you know, we have been pushing because there was a wide-open loophole guys, for the last year, really, because it was July of last year that the loophole opened up for GMB stuff that is now being shut, which is what we've been talking about today. But you know, for a year, that's why we really shifted our focus because there was a wide-open opportunity, and we will want to exploit it. And that's what we did. But now that loophole is closing, but RYS was actually built the that was developed that that that strategy, that method was developed not strictly for local at all. Ok. So again, probably because we had been touting GMB stuff for the last year. That's why it may seem that way. But that's that is absolutely not the case. Like in other words, RYS drive stacks can push authority into national global sites, national sites, you know, regional sites, whatever you want. Your local is relative. And that's what Marco always says. So Marco, how would you best explain to him?
Marco: Yeah. I can't go into that I'm not going to reveal anything that I'm working on, you know how difficult it is, especially if it's making money because people will try to go and tear it down, spam it, reverse engineer it and then say they did it. So I don't like revealing any particulars of what I'm doing. As Bradley said, your local is relative. And the only difference between a local niche and something national, global, regional, whatever it is, is the way that you approach it. It's the way that you approach the entity. We teach all that RYS Academy Reloaded or if you order a done for you are is that you will get the done for you user's guide that tells you what to do. We've also died also done countless webinars on entities and iframes and entity stacking iframe stacking. I did the webinar for the charity right when I was holding the charity drive where I did a series of three webinars where we went over the entire thing and highlight get the most out of a drive stack kit. Think about it just local, are you going to miss the point of what drive stack and G site can actually doing? How it pushes power to the destination and to everything that's attached to it? It misses the bot if you only think of it as local, then that's the only way that is going to work for you. Because you're not thinking outside the box on how you can push that power to whatever it is that you're looking to do.
Marco: By the way, before you go on for the new mastermind project that we have, we will be building an authority site, and it's going to be national. I don't know if that's ever going to get out of that specific group. But it'll be available for anyone who is lucky enough to get in there. At one point or another. We're still working out the details. But we are going to be building a National Authority site to take down the top guy in the niche.
Bradley: I know we will do.
Do You Offer Affiliate Programs Of Your SEO Courses?
The next one is Scott, I think is Scott Walker. He says I belong to a number of groups and get a lot of questions about how to I feel these people really need your courses. How can I become an affiliate? A reach call just contact Support, [email protected]. If you're looking I don't think we have an affiliate program for me. Why be yet but we probably should at some point? We don't?
Marco: I think we do. It's really simple to set up a failure, right to both [email protected] and [email protected], Scott and we'll take care of you Well, we'll figure out how to give you affiliate links so so that you can push our stuff. We don't mind you pushing our stuff.
Bradley: Yeah. And I know we've got affiliate stuff Semantic Mastery training, as far as the done for you products. I wasn't sure but yeah, you know, I'm sure we can get you that too. So absolutely. He says I don't plan on making this a full-time career, but would like a bit of financial incentive for serious referrals. Your courses are still the best bang for the buck. Thanks. Yeah, I thank you. I appreciate that. Scott.
How To Have Access To Bradley's Real Estate Group?
Ernest is up. He says, Hey, Bradley, how do I find out more about the Real Estate Group you have? I'm new to this page and don't know how to access it. Thanks for all the great information. Well, Ernest. That's a great question. So, unfortunately, the accountability group that started as a very small accountability group, it's only available to mastermind members that have expressed an interest in and that's only because it's, it's the first time I'm going to run the accountability group. So I wanted to keep it very small, very exclusive. And part of being in our mastermind is that our mastermind members always get the first opportunity at these sort of things. Beta testing, for example, they get the first opportunity for new training that we release, or new small groups like this, like the one that I'm talking about. So, unfortunately, it's not something I can share with the greater public right now. Or the broader public, I should say, we at some point, it may be something that we present outside of the mastermind, but I can't guarantee that I can't tell you when that's going to happen or even if it will happen. So, unfortunately, if you want more x, more information specifically about my accountability group, you have to be in the mastermind. However, that said, I do feel strongly enough about my new business model that I am willing to share where you can learn about the actual business, you won't have the account access to the accountability group with me, and my partners, and all this cool stuff that we're doing to help our members get very profitable very quickly. I've been very fortunate with this new business in the last three months and done very, very well very quickly. And it's because of our I think it's because of our ability, like our knowledge. And I'm not saying me specifically, but just like us as a group, like we know, and you included, you're on this hump day hangout webinars, so you have access to a wealth of knowledge just from us in our Semantic Mastery YouTube Channel, as well as probably other groups and things like that. And the new business model that I'm in is primarily being as being like the competition is primarily using traditional marketing methods like direct mail and stuff, and don't get me wrong, I'm doing that too. And it works. But knowing what we know about digital marketing, and being able to apply that to this business that is virtually uncompetitive, compared, you know, relative to digital marketing, it's giving me like an unfair advantage, a competitive edge over most of the other people competing in this space. And it's not an overcrowded business space anyways. And so again, I think that I feel strongly enough about this. And I've done so well, so quickly with this, that I don't mind sharing this URL with you guys to go check it out. Because I learned from this guy, he's got a great course.
And I'm going to post the link here, and the course is called, there's a webinar for it specifically if you want to, and I posted the link to the webinar, so you guys can get an idea anybody that's interested in what the new business model is, I'm flipping vacant land. So it's kind of like flipping houses, but I'm flipping vacant land, it's kicking ass. It's a relatively uncompetitive business, especially if you know digital marketing, and you know how to apply digital marketing principles to the business, you can absolutely crush it. You know, I can't, I can't tell you that you're going to repeat my results. But I pretty much I feel very strongly that most people, especially in our group could, because of like, I guess said how, how quickly, I've been able to get, like, make serious, serious money with this business, and just a few months. So again, the course is fantastic guys go to semanticmaster.com/LPG webinar, that's LPG dash webinar that stands for land profit generator webinar, the guys from Austria or Germany, excuse me, his name's Jack Bosch, it's he's kind of a goofy guy, but he's great. He's a great teacher and instructor, he's got a great course, if you go to the webinar, it's obviously going to pitch you the course at the end. But it's exactly what I took and went through. And it took me one month to go through the course and set up my will because we know, we know marketing guys, right? You know, everybody on this webinar knows how to set up a landing page. So I spent a month going through the prop product there the training, and then I set up a landing page and kind of developed out my SEO plan. And my ads plan because I'm using paid traffic to. And within my first month, you know, a month later I started my marketing. And within my first month, I landed my first deal and make $15,000. Again, I cannot say that you guys are going to make that kind of money. But it's very, very possible. And since then I've closed several other deals and made many 10s of thousands of dollars on top of that. So it's a great, great course, this is not an affiliate webinar or guys, and I'm not trying to pitch you on this for any other reason other than I think there's a lot of opportunity in this business for digital marketers, that a lot of the people actually competing in that space, really have no clue how to implement what we do you know what I mean. And so I think there's a lot of opportunities there. So again, if you ever wanted to come to join the accountability group that I'm hosting, where we have a small group, and where we've got like a slack, slack group, you know, Slack channel, where we can communicate in real time, we're holding weekly accountability meetings where we discuss current events within the business and like current deals that are pending, and that kind of stuff, you have to be part of the mastermind to get that.
So, anyway, it's pretty exciting guys, I'm really, really, really excited about this business, something I haven't been this excited about a long time, because it's not the typical cat and mouse game with Google that I've been playing for 10 years now. You know, it's, in fact, it's a breath of fresh air because it's, you know, I can very, very quickly have been able to generate a lot of leads for my own business, my own real estate business now, using the principles that we know. And it's almost like I said, the competition is almost nonexistent my SEO, I'm already in the top three for my primary keywords for the state of Virginia, which is I'm into, I'm targeting the entire state of Virginia. And I'm in the top three for with within what, two, two and a half months, with just a handful of press releases in a DR stack, and a single page landing page. It's It's incredible. And I'm getting leads every single week, eight to 10 leads every week just from Google and a couple from Facebook, actually. And then I'm doing some direct mail. So it's crazy. But you know, I get 25 to 30 leads per week and about a third of them come from Google and Facebook. Just from our you know, organic stuff, really, and some paid traffic to. So it's a great business model, go check it out, you'll get to see what it's all about. And if you really want to get in on the accountability group, then come join the mastermind and you have an opportunity there. All right. Great question, though. Ernest, thank you for asking.
What Are Your Thoughts On Google Site Kit?
Next one says, ran across a WordPress plugin called Google Site kit made by Google, really a WordPress plugin made by Google No shit. Okay to connect all Google functions like AdWords analytics to site any thoughts on using a plugin like that? I'm now because I haven't seen it.
Um, I don't see why it would be an issue. I mean, I know some people don't like, like, they think that they want to keep Google out of their site. But trust me, Google knows everything about your site. Well, regardless. It's funny because I remember a few years ago, people would say that they wouldn't put analytics on the site or, or submit the site to search console. What used to be Google Webmaster Tools, because they didn't want Google knowing what was going on with their site. Yet they'd have a WordPress site with Google Fonts installed. Or, you know what I mean, it would they'd access it from Chrome, you know, so it didn't make any sense to me. But, uh, you know, I don't see anything wrong with it. Marco, do you have any thoughts on that?
That's interesting. I might actually play with that. I might even put that on my new. No, that's just a minute. Well, I've got a blog set up on a subdomain for my new business, I might put this on that. So I can play around with this plugin a little bit. I've never cared guys, I'm not gonna lie. I've never given a shit about it. Because I always submit everything to search console so that it can get indexed quicker and everything anyway, so I know everybody teaches their own, but I've never had any issues with that. I like to use analytics. I'm not an analytics nerd, but I do like the data that it provides. So you know, honestly, and I and I put, I put the Google Tag Manager and the remarketing tag on everything now because if you're not using remarketing, and the Google Display Network for remarketing, you're out of your mind, you're missing out on a lot of additional traffic, because it's and it's very inexpensive. So to run remarketing and retargeting, it's remarketing on Google retargeting on Facebook, but I run a lot of remarketing ads for clients as well as lead gen assets. And my new business as well, just because once people land on the side if they haven't converted, why not continue to market to them until they do convert? Or until they get annoyed? Which I don't care. So anyway, but that's pretty cool. I'm going to actually install that.
Chris: There is also one more thing that many people never think about. So if the site before you has like Google tools installed into the site after you as Google tools installed, Google knows exactly like when the past it's going, you know, like users going. So you can hardly like to eliminate Google at all. If you want to hide.
Bradley: Yeah, it's very difficult. Because Google owns the internet, or a big, big part of it anyways.
Would It Be Difficult To Rank A GMB Listing Organically If You Don't Set Up A Related Listing?
Anyway, next is Gordon, what's up, Gordon? He says, Hey, guys, thanks again for helping us, customers. Your generosity is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Gordon. He says last week, someone asked a question about whether or not it was more difficult to rank a new site for local business niche and location if you didn't want to set up a related GMB listing but your answer was about local organic rankings in general and did not address the GMB question. If you want to rank a new site for a local business niche location, if you didn't want to set up a related can be listed but your answer was about local organic rankings in general and did not address the GMB question. Okay. I'm not sure how those are two separate things. But could you please comment on whether it's more difficult or the same difficulty to organically rank a new site locally without setting up a related gym be listening? I think you misunderstood my explanation. So I'm going to try to explain it again. But it's going to be the same explanation. So I may, maybe, maybe Marco can chime in here in just a moment and rewarded or convey what I'm trying to convey in a different way that makes more sense to you. But it's the same answer that I'm going to give you before the problem with ranking a local site, or a site for local keywords is that in the organic section, instead of in maps, is that you're competing with a lot of directory style sites now, which are highly authoritative, highly or, you know, very aged domain, typically, which carry a lot of inherent authority. And it's very difficult to outrank them, depending on the locations, you know, obviously, if it's more of a smaller area, then you can typically get much better results because they're not, if you're targeting like neighborhoods or suburbs, those kinds of things, you're you can usually get much, much faster results similarly to what you could within maps, but I'm talking about in the organic section, because a lot of times the directory sites are not optimized for any of those smaller areas, right, that they're optimized for the greater metropolitan area, right, which is an all-encompassing type of keyword, location, keyword, location modifier, so to speak. But when you're talking about trying to rank organically for like, again, I'm going to use Fairfax, Virginia, because that's a big area. very competitive SEO area for SEO in Virginia. So Fairfax, Virginia, if you're trying to rank for like plumber or plumbing contractor, Fairfax, Virginia, again, and I'll just approve it, you know, we'll go just do a quick search if I said, you know, plumbing contractor, and I always use contractors, guys, but that's because that's primarily what I've done for the last 10 years. If I say, Fairfax, plumbing, Fairfax County plumbing contractor, excuse me, Fairfax VA, what do you see here? Yelp, home advisor, branding.
Go ahead. Even before you get to the organic tea, scroll back Oh, look, right. You got Well, this. It depends on the industry, but Google guarantee. No, but yes, yeah. Then ads, then.
Yeah. And then what do you get, then you get three directories in a row, then you get a company that's been around for a long damn time, John C Floods a big contractor up in that area, then you get another director directory, then another really aged authority if type site that company has been around, then another directory, you see what I'm saying about this? out of the top 10, it looks like seven of them. And the organic section which is already buried by Google guarantee. ads and maps. It looks like seven out of the top 10. organic rankings are of other directories. So again, I'm not talking about GMB stuff. I'm talking about organic rankings. Can you rank a local a site for local terms in the organic section? Yes, but it's a dogfight is what I'm telling you. Yes, you can. And it depends on the location modifier the that you're trying to rank for. Right? If you're Fairfax is a broad that cut because Look, listen, like in this example. Fairfax is a county, Fairfax as a county, but it's also there's the city of Fairfax, too. But there are 23 locations within Fairfax County like Vienna and oak 10 in Tysons Corner. And so trying to rank for those would be much easier, it's still relatively hard or difficult. But trying to rank for a plumbing contractor, Vienna, Virginia is going to be easier than trying to rank for plumbing contractor Fairfax because that's essentially targeting the whole county or the city. But either way, it's basically one and the same, they're synonymous. Right. So my point is, it's very, very difficult to do that. And that's because Google is for whatever reason, they're promoting index pages of other directories on their primary index page, page one, which remember, Google is nothing other than an index of listings. And so all and when what happens when you click through to this, it's an index page on Yelp, for plumbers in Fairfax, which I think is stupid. Like you go from one index to another. I think that's dumb, but it is what it is. And so again, like I said, That's why I have I've shifted years ago, I shifted away from ranking, trying to rank organically through just sticking to maps, because again, look at it like that, that always came up first, it tended to be a lot easier to rank for maps than it did for organic. But yet, can it be done? Yes. But you're in for a dogfight. That's all I'm saying. So I don't know if I explained that any differently than I did last week. Marco, do you want to take a stab at it?
Marco: No, that was perfect. That's all I added to what you said was the amount of power that you'd have to push. I mean, how do you explain the amount of power to take down Yelp? And the amount of work that you have to do? And is it going to be worthwhile going for that? It could be for your contractor, but you may not be getting paid enough to get you paid back for the work that you have to do to get there. I know that you have to push massive amounts of power. We have ways where you can push massive amounts of power, but it's going to require more money than most local people are willing to pay.
Bradley: That's correct. That's the point with the right budget, then yeah, you could do it. There's no question. But a lot of times trying to, you know, like, because of these like the plumbers here that I'm talking about, like John C Flood and FH for their well, big established companies, that they've got a lot big. They've got deep marketing budgets, like deep pockets, you know what I mean? So, you know, if you're trying to get your foot in the door with a smaller company, a newer company, whatever, that's got a smaller marketing budget, there's really no way to compete with that. I mean, you can, but it's going to take a lot of time and a lot of effort. And it's not going to again, Marcos correct, absolutely correct. They're likely, it's weird how they turned to blackmail, but they're likely not going to have, you know, pay you enough for the amount of effort that you're putting in. So it makes sense. And if they give you a small, if you have a smaller budget to work with, then it could possibly still be done. But it's going to require more time because you're going to have to stretch, you know, do a little bit at a time because that's all the budget allows. And chances are you're going to lose the client before you ever get them to reach because it's taking too long. But it's hard to explain. I know because especially again, I don't know that you're dealing with contractors, but I've dealt with a lot of smaller contractors, in fact, that was my primary client base for the last 10 years is smaller contractors. And so it's difficult to, you know, explain to a contractor, and it's like banging your head against the wall when you say, Listen, if you want to get results really, really quickly, I'm going to need more money. They say I don't, I don't have any more money. But I want you to give me results right away. If you got me results, I'd have more money. Well, I can't get your results without more money. And it's like, you know who's on first, you know what I mean? It's that whole chicken and the egg type thing cart before the horse and that kind of stuff. So, again, I don't know if I explained anything different. But um, there you go.
What Do You Think Are The Niches That Have A Lot Of Spam Listings That Trigger Google's Suspension?
Based on your experience, what are the niches in addition to pest control that you believe Google thinks has a lot of spam listings, and that Google may have a trigger finger for regarding their suspension tirade for just editing, listening? Thanks, again. You know, Marco, and I actually talked about this just briefly right before the Hangout today. And it's hard to say I mean, there are certainly that some that are more known to be spammy than others. pest control is definitely one of them. I know that for a fact, garage, like overhead garage doors is another one that's incredibly spammy. And so you know, that I know that one would be one that I'd stay away from locksmiths, I believe is another one. So there's a number of them that are there. But as far as you know, I don't know because right now, Gordon, a lot of the, like Google's on a tirade period. And as Marco said, it's like somebody firing an Uzi. Why would you ever want to stick your head up? And it's almost like, I think anything's a target right now. I don't know that to be sure. Because I've stayed out of intentionally I've stayed out of a lot of the GMB listings recently, for even my clients other than just doing GMB posts, specifically for that reason, because I don't want to stick my head up. That makes sense. But so, you know, again, we don't work for Google. So I can tell us specifically which niches are worse than others. I do know some that have historically been spammy and pest control is one of them. So I probably should have kept my ass out of my clients' pest control. But it's such an established site. We've never done you know, business and we like free for seven years. I've never done anything spammy. All I did was change, deleted an image of a photo, uploaded a couple of new photos and published the GMB website because, for whatever reason, it had been created, but was never published. And I click the Publish button and boom, suspended. And that was two over two weeks ago now is about Yeah, it was just like, I don't know, 1718 days ago now 17 1717 or 18 days ago now and it's still suspended. So again, I don't recommend really doing a whole lot in GMB. If you can get away with it. Marco made a good point last week where he said if you if you're just got a new listing verified, you can make all your changes right away that does make sense as likely won't get suspended because it's new, you've got to you got it up, you know, kind of updated that kind of stuff. But if it's been established, I'd keep your ass out of it for right now. Honestly.
What DYF Schema Markup Creation Do You Recommend?
Correct. Next one's from Scott again. He says a few weeks ago, you mentioned service for done for you schema markup creation. I have a multi-location client and my schema markup needs some major help. Would you please give us the name and the URL again? Thanks. Yeah, it was Ryan Rodan, he was a mastermind member for quite some time. And he got really, really geek out on schema. And he really did. And so like he created a certain he ended up because he got so good at it. And he had so many people asked, I'm all the time like for help with their schema, he decided to create this. And I'm assuming he still does it. I haven't talked to him in probably two years now. But it's skeema.pro. And it's spelled instead of the way that schema is really spelled he spells it's skeema.pro. So just go to Skeema Pro. And you can check out a schema code order structured data overhaul, he's got several he's got, you know, the guy knows what he's doing, at least he did two years ago. And as long as he's still staying up to date with what's going on, which is geek out as he was about schema back then I'm assuming that he is still up to date, or he's staying on top of that stuff. But just reach out to him. Tell him that we sent you. We don't get any affiliate referral or anything for that. But it's always good too, you know, give credit to people that refer business. So check it out skeema.pro, and that's spelled, SKEEMA Pro. Right.
How Would You Setup A Schema Page For An Industry With Lots Of Q&As?
Fitz is up. He says Good afternoon, gents. Thanks for allowing this forum to continue. It is greatly appreciated. My question today is Google loves QA should we add a single question and answer to one-page post? For the website? I asked because the new schema requirement is to only have one q&a per page, but in an industry with a good number of Q and A's. Do you put only one page for 10 or more pages? Do you think that is valuable? Okay.
Bradley: I'm not I had always lumped similar questions together. And q&a post guys are great content for blog posts, and then you could break them out as individual like GMB posts. You can create a syndicate, you know, blog posts with them, that kind of stuff. But my point is, q&a posts are great. And a lot of times and I've talked about this in syndication Academy, I can go over it just now we don't have enough time. I was gonna say I can go over briefly. But we only got five minutes, I show you some ideas on how to do that. But I had always lumped similar questions together on the same page. However, if the new schema requirement is to only have one q amp a per page, then yeah, I mean, I don't see why not. I would just do it as blog posts. Right, I would do short blog posts and mark each blog posts. So no, I wouldn't dedicate a whole page to it. If you're going to have a page, I would have q amp a, you know, grouped in similar questions into groups and separate and different headings sections, right header sections within the page. And then even then you can create a table of contents with jump links. And again, can't get into that, because Margot, kill me. But you can do things for that page to make them more powerful too. But what I would do is for the blog posts, yeah, I would mark up blog posts with individual Q&A markup, right, that's what I would do. And in fact, you could even probably link from the page where you group them together with within certain headings and that kind of stuff, then you could probably link the individual Q and A's to blog posts. And again, fits in fewer in the mastermind, which I think you're trying to get back in Actually, I heard something about that. We can go much more into depth on how you can get the most power out of that same setup that I was just mentioning, and specifically how to structure the linking the internal linking from within that site because you got to do it a very specific way. Now, Marco just revealed in the mastermind recently about certain things that have changed recently that pertain to internal linking that we'd have to cover in the mastermind. So all right, I think we're just about out of questions. And we're almost out of time.
Should You Include The Geolocation Of The Photo For A New GMB Listing?
Justin says for new GMB, would you include geolocation information in the photo files? Or do you think that's spamming? No, I would absolutely include that. Because here's the thing, if you're taking photos, like if, if the business owner, so to speak, was taking photos from a mobile device, with GPS enabled, which almost all of them are, that's going to have that embedded information by default anyway. And if they're uploading it to their own GMB listing, then it would see that if customers are uploading photos, remember, like for stores and places, as you know, I'm a Google local guy, you know, I do a review, I don't do it all the time. But when I think about it, if I'm at a restaurant, or if I'm in a hotel or something, and I and I think about reviewing it, then I'll take a photo and upload that with my review. And guess what, it's got my GPS, my access data, right? My geolocation, geo metadata is it is embedded in that file. And that then gets uploaded to that GMB listing by as a customer photo, right. So, by the way, that's if you're going to be doing a lot of uploads to a GMB right now, I wouldn't do it as an owner, I would do it as a customer. So you could do that through persona, email, persona Gmail accounts, guys, you know, persona profiles, Google profiles that you set up, so that you're you don't trigger a suspension from uploading photos, I haven't heard of anybody actually will actually Marco had one that was triggered from uploading a photo. But if you upload as a, if you upload a photo to a GMB listing as a customer, then Google can't suspend the listing as far as I know. Now, you know, as far as I know, I haven't heard of that happening. But I have heard of uploading a photo as the business owner, so from within the GMB dashboard, and it causing a suspension. I haven't experienced that myself yet, yet. But a customer photo wouldn't do that. So again, think about that. It's not spammy at all. Now, if it's an image that Google knows is on the web, which Google's image recognition is incredibly good, and all you did was change the metadata, then that could perhaps look spammy. And that might be something that triggers trouble in the future, I haven't seen it trigger anything right now. But a quick way to determine that guys, as you can always go to 10, nine, calm is one of them.
There are probably other ones at Google, I think even has its own image recognition engine that you can play with, I think Marco shared that in RYS or something. But tonight, calm is free. And you can just actually go grab the image and drop it in here. You can even take them if it's already on the web, you can take the URL and drop it in here. Or you can just actually take the photo from your country from your, you know, your file system on your computer and upload it. And it'll tell you if that image has already been indexed on the web. And I will show you where if it has been. Right. And again, 10 is not as good as Google with that, but it's, it still will give it So again, if you're just taking an image that's already been used on the web and changing the exit data, then you know, that may cause an issue in the future. I haven't seen it cause any issues currently. Although it's not as effective either, though, just keep that in mind. And we've proven that. Alright.
Want to keep that tab open. So I want to check that out. All right.
Let's see. Thanks for your answers before thanks so much for the information off topic, but I'm in Richmond VA today from a totally familiar those areas mentioned. Okay, so he's talking about like Fairfax and all that. Yep. Alright, guys. Well, we appreciate y'all being here. mastermind webinar is tomorrow. For those of you that are in the mastermind, and thanks, everybody for sticking around. You guys. All hung out. Thanks.
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