In episode 98 of our weekly Hump Day Hangouts, one participant asked about using area-specific citation sites and adding 2 location-specific citations to a SameAs attribute in the header of a website.
The exact question was:
Hi guys hope you’re all doing great. First of all, I would like to say thank you for all the hard work you guys put in. It’s of extreme high quality and I have learnt a ton of very useful information from the SM crew. With your information, Humpdays and IFTTT courses I've got my first Lead Gen site to number 17 in 6 or 7 weeks – brand new domain for a roofing term, which is very exciting, so thanks for that!
My question is about the value of less powerful but highly relevant links. I've watched every Humpday Hangout and I have heard you talk a lot about relevance.
I have found 2 citation sites that are specific to the area I am trying to rank in but these are not powerful sites like Yelp or Yell for example, are these 2 sites worth it and if so would you advise adding these 2 location-specific citations to my schema same as attribute in my header? Thanks.
Adam: Hey everybody, welcome to Hump Day Hangouts. This is episode number 98, and today is the 21st of September. We've got almost a full crew here. Going to go down real quick like we do. I see we've got Hernan on video, so everyone's getting a special treat today.
What's up man?
Hernan: I'm good. I'm good. You guys should be paying less for actually watching my face right now.
Bradley: Ah, turn it off.
Hernan: It's really good to be here. What's up.
Adam: Good deal. Hey Marco, the volcano hasn't blown you away yet, right?
Marco: No, not yet, but 6 times in the last 2 days. Lots of ash.
Adam: Yeah, I think that's worse actually. I was, I'm dating myself here, but I was born right around the time of Saint Helen's explosion and I just remember hearing the stories about ash just ruining cars and stuff like that. Once it gets in anything.
Marco: Yeah. It'll peel the paint off the car, rust the motor. It'll corrode the motor. You just have to pour water on the car. You don't scrub it with anything, because it's an abrasive. You don't want to rub the paint off the car. You just pour water on everything. It comes off.
Adam: Cool. Bradley, how's it going?
Bradley: Good, happy to be here.
Adam: All right. Well I will get to my quick announcements everybody. Wanted to say real quick, hopefully everybody here's signed up as a user over on SERP Space. If you're not, I'm going to drop the link. You can head over there, sign up for free and check out the services. Been really busy pushing out a lot of updates. Some really cool stuff with Video Powerhouse for Map and video embedding, as well as a secondary network now, and we're going to talk some more about this later. What else we got? Press releases coming out on the 30th this month. We've updated the link building packages themselves, so there's now even more options for you. You can do…
Adam: Yeah, citations are coming. That one doesn't have a date, but it's soon. It should be actually within probably 30 to 45 days. There's just a whole lot going on, so I'm going to be writing some emails and getting people notified about that. If you're already a user, by all means, check it out. The PBN domain is live too. You can buy PBN domains.
Bradley: What about, do you want to mention credits and recurring credits now?
Adam: Yeah, thank you. Credits, so like Video Powerhouse, you can save money, because it runs on a credit system. Basically you use a credit when you have a video posted. It used to be for various reasons, if you get a subscription you need to use those in 30 days. We changed up the system, and now when you get a subscription, 1, you save money. Then 2, your credits roll over. Let's say you only use half of your credits, well those will still be there that next month, and then you can use them on other stuff. Pretty awesome.
Bradley: Have we started moving all the other products over to the credit based system yet?
Adam: We're working on it. Eventually we're going to do that, but yeah, it's kind of a, we've got to figure things out and get it tested.
Bradley: Okay. It's coming too though, so that's kind of exciting too, which means you guys can use your credits to purchase. It's coming, but you'll be able to use your credits to purchase not just Video Powerhouse and map embeds, but also like IFTTT networks or link building packages and all that kind of stuff.
Marco: Don't forget prices will be going up. This isn't a scarcity tactic. We spent a lot of time, a lot of money. We had the developers in there. I've been cracking the whip on this gang to get this done. All of that takes time and money, and so prices are going up. Get in now so that you can get grandfathered in, or if you don't mind paying higher prices, then don't and wait.
Adam: Yeah, I'll back Marco up on this too and say that we are going to do a public launch, so if you are interested in that, now here in the next couple months is a real good time to see if that works into your SEO toolkit, which by now I would say it definitely should, based on what we're offering. Yeah, go check it out. Especially go check out Video Powerhouse and some of the map embedding options. It's pretty awesome.
Bradley: Cool. What else?
Adam: I think that is all I have for right now, so if you guys are good I guess we'll get started.
Bradley: Yeah. We've got a ton of questions already, so let's go ahead and jump into them. Grab the screen. Make sure I did cameraman first, just to double check. Yeah I'm good. All right, and I'll zoom in on this guys, because I know it's easier for you to see that way. Bear with me. That should be good.
Adding 2 Location Specific Citations To A SameAs Attribute In The Header
All right. Let's see, Mark O'Connell's up first. He says, “Hi guys. Hope you're doing great. First of all I would like to say thank you for all your hard work you guys put in, it's of extreme high quality and I have learned a ton of very useful information from the SM crew.” Oh plus one that. “With your information Hump Days and IFTTT courses, I got my first lead gen site to number 17 in 6 or 7 weeks. Brand new domain for a roofing term, which is very exciting, so thanks for that.” Well congratulations Mark. That's awesome. 17's not where you want to be yet, but it's definitely a jump in the right, a step in the right direction.
Mark, yes absolutely. Hyper local citations are incredibly powerful, regardless of what the domain metrics are. Don't worry about that. This is kind of what we've been kind of preaching, especially in the last few months. Marco is really adamant about this, don't worry so much about metrics, it's more about relevancy guys. Hyper local citation sources are oftentimes have more of an effect on your local rankings than the big sites do, like Yelp for example. It's because they're hyper local, and Google knows that.
Getting listed in hyper local business directories, like maybe municipal type, what do they call them? The newspapers that are for local cities, they're usually really small types of cities. There's what do they call like coffee news, those kind of rags that you can pick up free that are usually print publications, but they have an online aspect as well. Those are very, very powerful type of citations. Again, the metrics don't say so, but as far as the effect that they have on ranking locally, they are.
There's a few others ones, or even like national type sites. For example, Topix is a site that's kind of like a national, it's a forum type site, but it's hyper local. Another one is Pulse. I think it's Pulse, I can't remember off the top of my head, but there's several of those types of sites out there that actually starting a thread in your local area, which sometimes it's on a sub domain with like a city sub domain and that kind of stuff. Starting a thread in one of those forums and dropping a link or a citation, name, address and phone number, is very powerful. Absolutely.
I would say Mark, it's definitely worth your time. In fact, we mentioned this Marketer Center, which is a reseller, kind of a white label service that you can purchase citations from. Andrew Scherer, he's the guy that runs that. It's a great service. I use it quite a bit. They have a package specifically for hyper local citations. Now, they've scraped their own list and they'll do a little bit of research up front for when you, like put in your name, address, phone number and details when you're ordering the citations, they'll do a little bit of research and try to find some local directories that they can list to.
They've already compiled a big list of local directory type stuff, instead of just the big national directories. They have the big brands, the big citations they call it, but they also have the hyper local citations. That's kind of a 1-2 punch. I always order the big citations and hyper local citations right off the bat. Then, like I said, if you have somebody on your own team, or even if you do it yourself, to actually go out and try to hunt down business directories that are specific to your area only.
The 2 most powerful types of citations, I mean the big citations are important guys. That's kind of like standard operating procedure. Trying to find city specific, or like I said, hyper local business directories to list on, as well as niche specific directories. For example, like a plumber only directory. A landscaping only directory. Those are also very powerful. Again, it doesn't matter what the metrics say. I can tell you from experience that just using those types of directories, that are so targeted, very specific, are going to have a huge impact on your ranking.
Marco: Before we move on from this hyper local, just so you guys know, we're doing an RYS update webinar on Friday for members only. It's in the Facebook group, so make sure you get in there and let me know you want to attend. It's not going to be recorded, absolutely not, because the stuff that I'm sharing is stuff that I've been working on, that I've been looking through, and this is just for the RYS group. It's regarding this, it's just how to give more local relevancy to a map. That's what we'll be getting into Friday.
Bradley: Wait till we get to Paul's comment up here. We'll get to that in a few minutes, because that's pretty exciting.
Hernan: Sorry Bradley, but on the same topic, from local, or finding really good local backlinks. I've had good results with using Bluechip Backlinks for this, like scraping a local directory for example, or some sort of local website or newspaper, as you were saying. Sometimes they would be really open to it, to get you featured on it if you're a local company, but sometimes you can get domains with 0 metrics, but they have a couple of backlinks from these local directories or local newspapers. Just 301 of that, you will notice a nice boost. You can combine that with the hyper local citations, and finding and scraping, you know with Bluechip Backlinks or something similar, and getting some domains to 301. Do not go crazy with this, but it's really powerful.
Bradley: Yeah, and that's why I just pulled this up while you started mentioning that, Hernan, because that's a great point. That's one way that we do it as well, is just go search for, I'm just using Atlanta as an example here guys. Put your city name in, or municipality, even if it's a smaller area. Put your city name in and then business directory. Then just grab the URLs from the first 2. In fact you can do this in Bluechip Backlinks, what's called the SERP Sweeper. Just grab all the business directory URLs and drop them into your domain crawler. Preferably you're using Bluechip Backlinks, but whatever domain crawler you use. Drop all these business directory URLs in there and let it crawl, because that's true.
First you want to go ahead and try to get a citation on those local directories anyways, like an actual citation that you get your business listed. A lot of those, it's not something I recommend that you do yourself. You can outsource that kind of stuff, and I recommend that that's what you do because it's tedious work. It's just data entry. It's pretty dumb. It's not fun, let's put it that way, but it's very powerful. At the same time you can also, like Hernan just said, find broken backlinks on these directory sites and just pick them up for dirt cheap and use them. Even if they're not like industry specific, which most likely they're not going to be, you can still use them for like deep links, or links to inner pages, or blog posts and that kind of stuff. It's going to help boost because of the local relevancy.
It doesn't have to be, even if it was a link from a business that went out of business, and it's still listed on the directory. You would say, “Well I don't want to screw up my NAP by buying the expired domain and then having it point over to mine and confusing Google.” Because it's the link at the bottom of an NAP from a different business, but it's redirecting to my site. Well that's why you could use a buffer site, or you could run it to an IFTTT property or something like that, or just link it to like a blog post from your money site. Because you're still pushing local relevancy into your domain at that point, and that's really, really effective.
That's a great question, Mark. As far as the same as attribute, yeah you can. Again, I would only use the same as attribute for those listings if you have your own NAP listed on there, not like a scraped domain, or a purchased expired domain. I wouldn't do that. I would absolutely use the same as if you have your own listing URL. Like if you get your own page URL on that directory, then yes, you can list that as a same attribute. Great question. Love Paul's “Me mira Bubba Gump.” Forest Gump. That's pretty funny.
Learning Structured Data & Site Markup
Ben says, “Hi guys. I've just finished creating my first tier 2 network, phew.” Plus one that. That's a lot. “I have a couple of questions. Where is the best place to learn about structured data and how to mark up a website?” Oh, I've got the perfect one for you. Just give me one second. This are some of the best, that's the schema generator. I'll drop all these links guys. Just let me pull these up real quick. I'm trying to find the list. Here's one of them right here, and then I've got another one.
There's 2 really good articles that I always refer to whenever I've got something new to do, because I don't know this shit off the top of my head guys. I always have to refer to one of these guides to kind of guide me whenever I'm adding markup. I am not a coder. I don't even pretend to be one on TV. These are both really good. Is that the same article? Dammit, let me find the other one. Just a minute. It's Built Visible, this is it. These are probably the 2 best guides that I know of for this. The Built Visible blog is fabulous. This is one of them.
There's another one too. There's another one by Built Visible if I can find it. Let me try that real quick. Just give me one second. I'll have to find it guys. It's in here somewhere, but I've got so many damn articles in here. I'll drop these 2 links in when we're done. Adam, if you can remind me. I'll come back and add the other ones. These are some of the best resources for schema and structured data. Both JSON-LD and micro data, depending on how you need to implement. Then there's the micro data creator. Just go through some of these guides, is all you need to do really. Here's another one.
Then here's a JSON-LD creator. This is pretty cool. Marco pointed this one out to me and I use that now sometimes. There's one other article. I'll find it and it's really good. It's the best one of them, and for whatever reason I'm not finding it right off the bat, but I'll get to it later.
Hernan: There's also just tons of, but it's really geeky, the information in schema.org.
Bradley: Yeah it is. If you know how to … Is this it? No. I'm sorry guys. I really want to find this for you and I'm just having trouble finding it right now. I'll find it and I'll post it on the page later. Anyway. If you go onto schema.org, if you understand micro data and the markup and what the tags are, what do they call them? The item types and that kind of stuff, then you can get everything you need right from schema.org, but you have to know how to put them into the proper DIV tags and all that kind of stuff. That's what I always have to refer to resources for, because I don't know, I'm not a coder.
Stacking Multiple Tier 1 Networks On A YouTube Channel
Let's say you have 2 tier 1 networks. You have the 1 tier 1 network that you've already got connected to your YouTube channel. Now you've got another tier 1 network that you built, it's just another IFTTT network. You haven't assigned it as a tier 1 or a tier 2 yet. You just have a whole other network just sitting there waiting to be assigned to something. Well all you need to do is log in to that IFTTT account for the second network, and then just activate you YouTube channel, the same YouTube channel in the second IFTTT account. Then whenever you upload a video to that channel, it's going to syndicate to both the first network and the second network. You can do that with as many networks as you want. There is no limit.
It's not like IFTTT, YouTube will only connect to 1 IFTTT account, you can connect YouTube to unlimited IFTTT accounts. You can only have 1 YouTube channel activated in each IFTTT account, so that just means you need multiple IFTTT accounts. Each persona ring, or each syndication ring that you create, is going to have its own IFTTT account anyways. You can literally stack, it's unlimited. As far as I know it's unlimited. I've never hit the limit. You can just put as many tier 1 rings on that 1 YouTube channel as you want.
Now I've found it's more effective to have 2 tier rings, full 2 tier rings, or structured setups. If you have more tier 1 rings, you oftentimes rank faster than the 2 tier rings, but the 2 tier rings tend to make the videos stick longer. Now that's not always the case, but that's just kind of the trend I've seen over the years. Is that the 2 tier rings, they don't rank the video normally as quickly as having multiple tier 1 rings, but it does help the video to stick longer once it ranks. That's why I prefer using the 2 tier rings over the single tiers alone. Don't get me wrong, you can stack as many full tier 2 rings on a channel as you want too. We've got some out there with 5 or 6 full 2 tier rings on it, that's considerable. That's 400 to 500 properties that that video gets syndicated to, with nothing other than an upload or a live stream. Very powerful.
“What theme are you using for your SEO business site, Big Bamboo Marketing?” Honestly, I have no idea. I haven't updated that site since I built it in 2012. I don't plan on it, because I don't ever get any work from my actual website, very rarely, I don't want to say ever. I'm not looking to take on any more client work, that's why I don't even update it. To be honest with you guys, my SEO business site, it didn't really every generate me any work anyways, I always got work from networking or cold contacting using video email, which was my preferred method. Then also from referrals. Occasionally I do get leads now because of the SEO Virginia case study that I did for RYS Academy, and so I do still get leads from that, but I usually quote them so high they turn around and run away, because I don't want to do any more client work right now. Honestly I can't remember. I'll have to look it up, Ben, but it's an old theme. It's probably now 4 years old. I really never updated that site.
Link Velocity And Link Types When Using Google Drive Doc & About.Me Pages
However, it is beneficial to know which ones are due follows, and typically I have the go to ones like Blogger and WordPress and that kind of stuff, that are due follow links. I'll use strategically with spam or with PBN type links and that kind of stuff. We probably should make a list of that, or make a note of it in the IFTTT account workbook template, so that you guys know which ones they are. If we can make a note of that, guys. We can get somebody to do that for us, one of our VA's or something.
Adam: Yeah, we'll discuss on the back end. I just have concerns since some of that stuff changes. I guess it would be kind of a at your own risk, this is what it is at the time of publish. Be sure to check.
Bradley: Yeah, we might do that, just add like another column to the network workbook, guys, and put follow, no follow, something like that in there, just so you guys know. We can get a VA to do that. Maybe we'll have that done by this time next week, Dean. As far as spamming the properties, okay, just keep in mind, I look at any type of link building as spam, pretty much, except for like desk posting, where you're creating real content. Pretty much any type of link building tool is a spam link, in my opinion. That's just the terminology that I use for any type of link building that isn't 100% manual.
Manual content, putting links into content manually, that kind of stuff. Any kind of tools or whatever, I just call that spam. Don't let that confuse you, but with the drive stacks you can pretty much spam them with anything and it's not going to hurt it. Because we've gotten pretty crazy with those and had some really good results with it. With your network properties, your tier 1 branded network properties, I always like to follow Hernan's guidelines on that. Hernan, you want to mention how you do it?
Hernan: Yeah. Basically we just send a handful of links, and this is like the, I would say the process or the framework that we give our VA's or daily hour, whoever is building links at that point. Is that they should only send a handful of contextual links usually, to the properties, to the IFTTT properties, so as not to spam them as well. As we keep mentioning, you can spam the hell out of them, but the reality is that they are branded properties so you need to take care of them and you want them to be, they can generate a sale as well, so you need to be careful. We just send a handful of links, maybe from 50 to 150, something like that, contextual links, and then we spam the hell out of those contextual links. We are putting some kind of buffer in between the property, whatever it is, and the spam.
Also we have found best results with doing that, instead of just spamming, you know, a Twitter profile. If you put, let's say 100 contextual backlinks between your spam and the Twitter profile, the Twitter profile will be much more powerful. The metrics will say so. It will get indexed more easily. For example, from spam itself, only from spam itself, maybe you can get it to, I don't know I don't want to get into metrics, but you can get it to a trust flow of 5. If you go to this recipe of a handful of contextuals backed with spam, you can get it to 10, 15, 20 trust flows. You need to have that in mind. Metrics are higher, the property becomes more powerful following these kind of guidelines. OF course you can experiment yourself with velocities and those kind of things, but just be careful, and just send a handful of links.
Bradley: Yeah. When you guys, If you order a link building service from us, inside of SERP Space, it's the same thing. That's what we do, is we will build a handful of the targeted links, contextuals like what Hernan's mentioning, to your tier 1 properties or your citations, whatever it is, your target URLs. Then we throw the kitchen sink spam behind those. That's really why we do it that way, because it's much more effective and safer as well.
By the way, I found that article. I just needed to not be talking to find it. This is it, guys. Built Visible, this one, micro data, JSON-LD and schema.org, rich snippets. This is the best guide I've ever seen on this. It is so comprehensive. This is my go to guide for any time I have to add any sort of micro data to stuff, this is what I go to. This is hands down the best guide I've ever seen for that, and it's free. Enjoy it.
It's been so long since I've logged in here. I have 0 credits remaining. If you paste your URL in there. For best results enter a webpage or whole article. Right here, I know it's hard for you guys to see. It's very small, but check your entire site with batch search. Copyscape, you'll have to buy some credits, but they're cheap. I think just like 5 cents per search. Then you can drop with batch search in there, and basically drop your URL in there and it will crawl the entire site and then compare all the pages on the site and tell you which pages have duplicate content and that kind of stuff.
It will show you what the percentage of duplicate content is on each occurrence, or each instance where duplicate content was detected. It will show you what the percentage of duplicate is and all that kind of stuff. It's just all done right within CopyScape. You can actually just like I said, it'll batch the entire site. It'll crawl the whole site and then categorize everything for you and give you a report. That's just within CopyScape. That's how I've done it in the past. It's very, very simple.
“All that is true, do you recommend a comprehensive …” Yeah, I mean that's the only thing I'd do. Jay, I just run it through CopySCape and just check it and see. Also something else that you can do is, if you use Screaming Frog, SEO Spider. That's a great tool to be able to map a site very quickly and give you a high level overview of all the title tags and H1's and H2's and meta descriptions and that kind of stuff. It will also find broken links and things like that. Screaming Frog, SEO Spider. It's a really good tool. It's a little bit expensive, but it's a good tool if you're doing a lot of client work and stuff.
I like to use it for analyzing client sites whenever I'm prospecting especially. That way I can run reports on somebody's site before even taking them on as a client, and I can show them, “Here's where a lot of issues are occurring on your site because of duplicate titles and that kind of stuff.” A lot of people just, it's hard to do that when you're just manually looking at page by page. When you look at the site as a whole, in 1 interface or 1 dashboard, then it makes it much easier to recognize patterns. Kind of like footprints, even within the own site, is what I'm saying. You can find repeated titles and that kind of stuff, which actually will affect the overall site score. Screaming Frog is a good tool for that. If you're doing a lot of client work that should be one of those tools in your toolbox, if you do client work, or if you have a large portfolio of your own sites.
Next question from Jay says, “IFTTT content kingpin customer.” Sweet. “Built first IFTTT network on branded property last week. Pushing content, looking good so far. Also video marketing blitz user. You mentioned in a previous video a webinar where you discussed paper call exchange networks and using Video Marketing Blitz. Very interested in seeing that info. Help a fellow receding hairline SEO brother out.”
Oh man, why'd you have to point that out, man? “Don't get me wrong. You guys have already helped me out greatly. Grateful for these hangouts. They are can't miss. Thanks guys.” All right Jay. Adam, you want to, we did the Video Marketing Blitz bonus webinar for purchasers. I don't know if Jay didn't get that or not, but if you make a note of it, I can PM Jay with the link to it later on.
Adam: Yeah, well I was going to say. Jay, just send an email in to [email protected]and mention what we're talking about and we'll get you sorted out.
Bradley: There you go. Yeah, because we did the first of 2 bonus webinars. The second one's coming. I don't know when. We've got a VA that's learning Video Marketing Blitz right now, he's in training, and he's a full time VA. That's going to be his job, is to just run that software. As soon as he gets done training we're going to pick back up on the case study that I started. We're actually going to do several case studies, because he's working on multiple projects right now for me, using that tool. Actually in master class today we're going to start, I'm going to reveal a new case study today. Part of it's going to be Video Marketing Blitz is going to be part of that case study as well.
If you're not in MasterClass, Jay, I recommend you get over there, but we'll still, just send in a support ticket and we'll get you the replay of the first VMB bonus webinar. Then when the second one gets scheduled we'll just make sure that you let us know and we'll make sure that you're on the notification list. That'll be coming guys, I don't know when, but it'll be coming. It's going to be several more weeks, but once he's trained well enough and I have the procedures in place, that's when I'm going to schedule the second webinar. That way you guys will see how the process works with an outsourcer. Because again, it's something that should be outsourced in my opinion.
I'm not sure what you're asking here. If you already have the subdomain, you're not going to be able to change that, unless you set up a new site. You're not going to do that because you've already got metrics on this site. What you could do, is you could buy a non-EMD type domain and just do a 301 redirect to that webs.com site, and use your purchased domain in all of your link building. That's what you could do. It would just be a 301 redirect to the .webs.com site. That way, when you're building the links, the EMD, it wouldn't be an EMD, it would be your purchased domain that you have 301'd to that site so that it wouldn't count as a exact match anchor text. Does that make sense?
Hernan: Yeah I like that.
Bradley: What were you going to say, Hernan?
Hernan: I was about to say that since it's a PBN site, he's going to treat is as a PBN site. He could also do persona based network. Let's say that the owner of the webs.com is John Doe. Instead of going for, letsgorunning.wordpress.com, he could go for johndoe.wordpress.com or something like that.
Bradley: Yeah okay. I see what he's saying there. Yes. Guys that's what I always recommend doing. Other than a branded network. For example, for PBN type sites, when we build networks, they're typically persona based networks, for PBN's. Sometimes, if the PBN has a pretty strong brand of its own, then we will create a branded ring. For a lot of the ones that look like blogs, instead of looking like business sites, we end up just basing them, creating a persona based ring around it and making it like a person's blog. That works well too.
As far as what Hernan said, that's a good way to do it, is use a persona name as the subdomain instead. That's perfectly find, but also, like I said, if you wanted to build links directly to the webs.com site but you don't want to use the exact match domain. The problem guys, just so you're aware, the problem is when you have an exact match domain and you build links with naked URLs, which everybody says that's what you should be doing so that you don't tip the scales and over optimize the anchor text, that kind of stuff. The problem is, with EMD's, is those naked URLs count as exact match keywords. It didn't used to be that way, but it has been for like the last 2 years at least, maybe even 3 now. You've got to be really careful with EMD's, and that's in part why I just don't use them anymore.
What you could do, like I said, is just use like another domain that's more of a branding type domain, that you just 301 redirect to that, and then build all your other links referencing the purchase domain. Because then the anchor text would be the name of the domain, even with naked URLs, it wouldn't be an exact match keyword. Both of those routes would work.
Marco: All right, so correct me if I'm wrong, but he's going to build the IFTTT network around the webs.com subdomain.
Marco: Okay, but for something ridiculous, like $5 a month, webs will let you get a custom, they'll add a custom domain name and then they'll 301 the subdomain to the actual. It's like what Google does with sites.google.com. If it's worth it, for $5 a month you can actually have the domain name that you want. You can change it. It gets 301'd up by BioWebs.com itself. Then you still have the subdomain that you can link build to.
Bradley: That's a good point.
Marco: That might be another way to approach it. Then when I post out to the IFTTT network, you'll have the new domain name that you'll be using. It won't be as much of an EMD, and you can stay away from anchor text problems.
Hernan: Right, and that will inherit the metrics that they currently have, like from the subdomain. That would be a good idea too.
Video Powerhouse And Map Powerhouse Serp Space Credits
All right, well if the content is different, I don't know. I have mixed feelings about this, because if the content was the same, then you could either 301 redirect the old to the new, or you could do canonicals, cross domain canonicals. You point the old page to the new page with, not a 301 redirect, but with a canonical. That way you're telling Google, “Hey there's this page here, but I want to give all the credit to over here. Push all the credit to this other page.” You assign the canonical URL for that. That's typically how I would do it.
Now Google says that cross domain canonicals should only be used if the content is the same. It says that, that's what Google says within their cross domain canonical, when they first, I guess, created that, which I think was back in like 2012 or something like that. It was awhile ago. I could find the blog post from the Google blog itself. Anyways, I know that I have tested this, where the pages don't have the same content, and I still canonicalize it to the new page, and gotten a boost out of that.
I know some of our mastermind members do the same thing. They've tested canonicals, or done testing with canonicals, and been able to accomplish some pretty nice ranking boosts using other pages in canonicals. That's just typically how I would do it, I would experiment MJ, seriously I would experiment and maybe take a handful of pages and canonicalize them to the new site, from the old site to the new site, and then maybe take a couple other pages and just do a 301 redirect and see, monitor your target URLs and see what kind of movement occurs after doing that. I want to hear from the other guys. Hernan, Marco, what do you all think?
Hernan: I was actually thinking about it.
Bradley: While you're thinking about it, let me find that article.
Hernan: I mean, usually if, I would go, when a client is already ranked, they have gained good rankings. They rank well on the 3 Pack, or they have gained like page 1. What else can you do? That would be my question. What would be the next step? The next step would be to run a couple of feeder sites in that case. It can be IFTTT Properties, but usually what you would do is to do that, spread and try to rank a feeder site. That's the only way that I see viable, having 2 websites trying to rank. At the end of the day you will be competing with yourself, which is a great thing.
With that being said, I don't know how many resources you currently have to try to rank the 2 of them, or offer the client some sort of deal where you can rank the 2 of them or you can work on the 2 of them. In my experience, that's not ideal, because usually, maybe it was me making a bad deal, but back in the day I had that kind of a deal when a client's just throws websites at me, and he would expect to rank. The reality is that there's some randomness in it, so some websites will outrank the others, just because of the way Google works. I would definitely 301 it. The 10 year old site will definitely boost the new website, but I wouldn't work with the 2 of them unless you have gotten them good results with at least 1 of them. Probably the 10 year old one. That's what I would do.
Bradley: I was looking at one of the next questions. By the way, I posted that article. It was from 2009. This is Google webmaster central blog, it was 2009 that they posted this. This is the cross domain canonical post. I posted on the event page. Test with that, MJ, and see, that's what I would do. Whenever you guys come across something like this, it's best to run a few tests, like compare one method against another, or against 2 others, whatever. Then track results and see which one gives you the best results.
Possible Google Penalty For Duplicating The Content In 3 Branded Google Drives
Marco: I have never seen any penalties with duplicate content inside drive.
Bradley: I haven't seen any penalties with drive period.
Marco: That's not to say it won't happen in the future. As I've mentioned before, the only thing I've ever gotten banned by Google and slapped down for, I uploaded a .TXT file with a 301 redirect, and they said, “No, you can't do that.” I couldn't use the TXT file anymore. Other than that, I've just never seen anything happen. In fact, we recommend it, we recommend sharing in between the different drive files. We recommend 1 main drive file, and then you can share folders among all of the other files. You can share each other's files. It would stand to reason that 3 people in the same company would be working on the same file and adding comments and adding links and adding edits, just whatever, which is what we teach people to do inside ROIS Academy. I mention that again.
Bradley: I guess if you share content, if you share a drive file with another account, then it's basically stored in both accounts. I think he's talking about like copying the content and creating, instead of it being a shared file, it would be a duplicate file in another account. Again, I've never seen any issues with drive stuff yet.
Marco: No, but just to be on the safe side, share them.
Bradley: Yeah, you can, but that doesn't give you different target URLs. Does that make sense? Same file URL, is what I'm saying. Yeah, you could do that, but if you wanted separate target URLs for different spam points, spam targets, then you could just copy the content and upload it to those other drive files.
Adam: I was going to say, if you really put on your tin foil hat, you could just make a literal tiny edit to it and rename it V1, V2, V3. That's real. People do that. They make copies of documents and stuff.
Good question Earl. Again, canonicals. I was pulling up one of my demo blogs that I do a lot of testing with, and all you do is go to post, go to tags, locate the tag that only has 1 post. It'll tell you, in the count column over here, how many posts are using that tag. Any 1 single tag, any type of singular tag, should be canonicalized, or you should leave your tags set to no index. That's the thing, guys. We've covered this many times, Earl, but for the benefit of everybody I'll try to cover it very quickly.
If you use a tag, WordPress by default is going to create a tag page, which is an exact duplicate of the post itself. Tags are supposed to be, a tag is a more general type of descriptive keyword, or term, or phrase, that can be used across multiple posts. Then the tag page that's created will be like a blog index page. It's a tag index page. It would be like a category page. In other words, all the posts that share that tag will show up on the tag page. That becomes a unique page, compared to a solo tag that becomes an exact duplicate of the 1 post that the tag was added to.
If you're going to use tags and leave them set to index, which is by default, then you just have to be aware of that. If you're going to use tags, use a tag across multiple posts. If you're going to use a singular tag, on only 1 post, so a unique tag, then you want to canonicalize that tag page to the actual post URL. If you're using the WordPress SEO plugin from Yost it's very simple. You just go to post, go to tags, then you select the tag. For example, this one says [D-GO 00:47:45], and I would click on edit. Then from the edit screen you'll scroll down and in the Yost section, let's see where is it? It's in the advanced settings right here. Right here, you click the advanced settings of the Yost plugin, and right here is the canonical URL, that's where you paste the URL of the blog post in, and then click update.
Now that tag page, even though you're right, it's a duplicate, it's 100% duplicate and it will cause issues guys, will cause duplicate content issues on your own site. It's a panda issue. If you're using singular tags, either turn them to no index, set them to no index, which you can also do in Yost. You go to the taxonomy section and check the box to no index tag pages. If you want to leave them to index, which is fine, just want to make sure that you set the canonical for singular tags to point to the original post. That's all. Hopefully that was helpful.
Seriously I don't like, if it's a channel that you plan on making money from that's not a turn and burn where you know it's going to get burned at some point. If you're in it for the long haul, then I don't recommend doing that. I recommend that you switch up the videos, you change them enough to where, if there was a manual review, your account wouldn't be terminated for spam. I know that's difficult, but that's why it's sometimes good to have tools like Video Marketing Blitz, or something like that where you can have literally 30, 50, 100 YouTube accounts that you can spread the same video across multiple accounts instead of putting the same video in 1 account 100 times. Does that make sense? It's just safer that way, guys. Remember, we're using YouTube, it's YouTube's rules. Look, we spam with the best of them, but we try to do it in a way that keeps our properties alive as long as possible.
When Is It Good To Use And Not To Use Goo.Gl Links?
All right, there's probably going to be some differences of opinions between my partners and I, although I know we're on the same page on some things. Look, Google links are fine to use when you're not spamming. Actually Google short URLs are good to use if you know what you're doing with them and there's a reason for it. Sometimes there are reasons to do it, you can even spam with them, but I recommend that, essentially when you use a goo.gl short link, you're injecting analytics into that link path.
You don't want to do any sort of spammy shit with Google links, because you're giving them a window, a view right into what it is that you're doing. You're injecting Google code into your link stream. You just got to be careful. I don't do any real spammy, well sometimes I do some real spammy stuff with Google links, but it's very specific reasons when I do it. For the most part I don't like to use goo.gl short links for any sort of spam stuff. However, we use the hell out of them in drive stacks. They're great because you're injecting Google into the stream. What are your take Marco and Hernan?
Marco: When I use them inside a drive stack, I don't care. When I use them outside a drive stack, I try to stay as clean as possible, unless it's just something I don't care about and I'm just looking for the metrics. Absolutely, and I saw this, he's using it in Facebook. If you use it in a private group that Google couldn't access otherwise, and you're expecting action, you're expecting people to interact with that shortened link, Google will love you for it, and it does pay off every time that you're sending signals to the bot from a place that it would otherwise not have access to. Yes, by all means, don't spam it unless you know what you're doing.
Hernan: Right. Just to add to what Marco was saying, which I agree 100%. The other way around is that you spam it and all of those links end up showing on Google Webmaster tool, because there's no secrets anymore. We have some cases of students that 301'd the spam domain, or a Chinese domain, directly into a goo.gl, and that was pointing at the website. All of those spammed links end up showing on Google Webmaster tools. You need to be really, really careful because it will show up like that. You don't want to do that. You need to have several hoops, or you need to be using it, as Marco was saying, to actually inject analytics when you know what you're doing, so be careful.
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Adam: We can come back and we'll answer. Some of these we can definitely answer afterwards. Hernan will pick up some on the podcast.
Bradley: Yeah, I was going to tell him. If you're having an issue with the network, just send it to SERP Space support, we'll get it taken care of for you.
Bradley: Sorry about not getting to all the questions guys. It pays to get your question on the event page early. Whatever I didn't get answered here, post them in the appropriate groups, or save them for next week. We'll see you then. Thanks everybody. We'll see you. Masterclass starts in 5 minutes. We'll see you guys there.
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