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Bradley: … Core ones.
Adam: All right, we are live. I'm sure we were live earlier like always. Anyways welcome everybody. Today is the 8th of March 2017. This is Hump Day Hangouts number 122 and we got almost everybody here. I guess it appears random so I'm gonna quit guessing where everybody's at and I'm just gonna say their names, so Hernan how's it going?
Hernan: Hey Adam. Hey Adam, I see you there. Hey Bradley over there. I'm pretty excited to be here.
Adam: What's up with the tank top? It's pretty warm down there?
Hernan: It's hot, yeah. It's warm still. It's warm-
Bradley: Look at Adam [crosstalk 00:00:36].
Marco: Adam's bundled up.
Hernan: The two hemispheres, there you go.
Adam: Gotcha, I know. We're only separated by nearly, I don't know, like 10,000 miles or something.
Hernan: Yeah maybe.
Adam: Gotcha, all right well Marco speaking of weather man, how's it going?
Marco: It's nice man. It can't get any better. It's like 80, 85 during the day and it gets really cold at night. About 70.
Adam: That's tough. All right, moving right along. Bradley how you doing?
Bradley: Good, happy to be here.
Adam: Outstanding. Well I'll just launch right into it everybody. I think by now you probably know if you were interested in video powerhouse the launch is now over, so we'll have a sign up for you if you want to find out some more information about how you could get involved in that later on but if you were looking for launch bonuses and stuff that is gone. Just wanted to make that clear to everybody. We do have a very cool webinar coming up, so Marco do you want to tell the viewers what they can checkout next week.
Bradley: Hump Day we want to try to keep it a little bit cleaner.
Marco: How can you do that man? You can expect more during the webinar trust me 'cause I'm angry. I'm upset, so what I'm going to do this coming Monday I'm gonna tell it like it is. I'm gonna say what's working and I'm gonna say why and I'm not going to show what I'm doing but I will get into what I've done to show that it is working. Look, let me tell you because I had a talk with my guy. You know how Mike Pierce and I go way back to when he was doing the social explosion plugin for Network Empire and I was a beta tester for that, so we're talking three, four years back. I can't remember how long it was.
Bradley: At least four years now.
Marco: Right. I was talking to him and you know he said that from conversation that we had we actually changed the way that SEO is being done. Now I don't see myself that way. I don't see myself as influencing the whole SEO community and the way that search engine optimization is done. I will go into what he said and the discoveries and the things that we know, right, because he's one of those guys who tells it like it is. I mean he doesn't just give you garbage. He'll give you actionable shit just like we do.
On Monday, even though I will go back to a previous webinar that I did last year on Iframes, it's not just going to be, I'm not just going to regurgitate the same information. Of course I have to do the foundation, right? I have to do the foundation but the rest of it I think is going to be on point and people who miss it, I'm sorry. I'm sorry and I feel sorry for you 'cause I'm in one of those moods where I'm bound to say anything.
Adam: Awesome, all right well the link is in the page [crosstalk 00:05:07]. Oh go ahead.
Adam: Yeah we had a few people, not a few, we've had several people who kept saying literally people were like, “You guys should charge for this,” and we're like, “Okay, well we'll do that.” So there it is. That's the way it's gonna be. We want to keep providing this and Marco, he's the one giving the information and he said, “I want to do this free up front, provide the chance for people to see this stuff.” So that's the way we're gonna do it but after that yeah we're charging.
Marco: Remember that most of the stuff that I give away for free, people are charging literally thousands of dollars for. You know this and they're not giving everybody everything that they're supposed to be giving them. I'm going to give it for free. Come get five, $10,000 worth of information for free. I'm not gonna pitch, although I will say what it is that I use to get the results that I get. Does that make sense? I'm not gonna pitch. I'm not just continue saying oh this rocks, and this and this and this and just mention my product over and over and over. I'm not going to do it at the end. I mean people know us well enough to know where they should go for stuff that works. That's just my two cents.
Adam: All right real quick I'm gonna hop back on. I've got Adam's quick book report moment. Now this is embarrassing. I noticed that this was in the background, so I just picked this up. This is kind of sad for somebody who's selling the click funnels. I've actually never read this book, so I'm gonna read that book this week and then another one that I'm reading and I'll definitely tell you guys about but the Blue Ocean Strategy. This is more on the business side of things but maybe I'll do a quick review of that, like a two or three minute video but so far it's pretty cool. It's about just kind of redefining the boundaries in terms of your business, which you know you can do for clients or whether you're doing SEO instead of just being another person in that shark filled water it's kind of defining your own game so anyways, good stuff.
Bradley: Awesome, thanks Adam. Okay so I guess we can get into questions now.
Adam: Let's do it.
Bradley: … You guys can hear me again.
Adam: We can hear you. [crosstalk 00:07:43]
Hernan: Yeah we can see your screen.
Bradley: I know there's an odd delay when you screen share on this new [inaudible 00:07:51] app. Okay so Mark O'Connell's up first. Hey Mark. He's been attending our hangouts for god knows how long, long time so thanks for showing up again Mark. He asked the first part, Marco it's directed at you and your back talking about using Varidesk or a stand up desk type thing, which could help. I'm not going to read that to you because you can read that but thanks for that Mark, that's a good suggestion. I know a lot of people are doing that stuff now, the stand up desk. Converting their desk to stand up desk using Varidesk or other sort of products like that. I've rad a lot of stuff about I guess sitting down now is what they consider is bad for your health like smoking was 20 years ago or something, I don't know.
Adam: I've heard the same thing. That or just if you can't do the standing desk, just get up and move. Don't sit there for an hour or two at a time.
Bradley: Yeah every hour get up and move around for five or 10 minutes.
Hernan: I can't sit around for an hour anyway. I have to stand up. I have to sit down. I have to lie down. I'm beyond Varidesk, I need surgery. I have to go have surgery. I'm beyond that. Once I heal and go through the whole process then yeah that would be an option so thanks Mark.
Duplicate Content Issues For Mobile And Desktop Website Source Codes
Bradley: All right so the question is, “My question relates to mobile specific design.” Oh this will be a tough one for me because I am not up to speed on mobile stuff at the moment. “I've been using Beaver Builder Page Builder, which is an incredible web design tool and Beaver Builder allows you to create different layouts that will only be shown on mobile if the site doesn't look quite right on a mobile. So you can copy a certain part of a website and change it slightly for mobile users, which results in a better experience for all devices as you can modify the design or text or whatever you want for any advice but in the source code it shows both layouts. If the content is the same, will this be classed as duplicate content?”
That's a good question. I guess it depends on if they have some sort of mark up to explain that in the code. That would be something that maybe, for example, a canonical would work with a mobile version of a site which is basically an exact duplicate of the full version of the site but just in a mobile friendly format. Then that could be considered duplicate content as well but a lot of times it depends. The way that I've set them up in the past has always been on a like an m dot subdomain. In other words, whatever the domain is I'd put a m dot subdomain on it. So it would be m.domain.com and then I would install the mobile version of the site but all I would do is set a canonical in the header, the HTML header of the site, the mobile version of the site to point to the corresponding pages on the full version of the site.
You also have to think that, and again I don't know this for sure, but if you have the mobile site on a subdomain it's considered a different domain. So I don't know that that would cause a problem anyways. Now I'm not sure that that's the case here Mark because you don't state whether it's on a separate subdomain or if it's just a redirect script that the text when a mobile browser is viewing the site and then redirects them to the mobile version of the site then that may be the case but I would imagine there should be some sort of markup that would eliminate that as being a potential issue. What are your thoughts Marco?
Marco: If it's on m.website.com, then the canonical should go from mobile to desktop right now as Google fully moves over to mobile, it should go the other way. It should go from desktop to the mobile. That's the way that you're supposed to be canonicalizing right now. I would just do it through the mobile all together because they're moving to it if they haven't done it all already. Now-
Bradley: You mean canonicalize the desktop to the mobile?
Bradley: Oh wow.
Marco: Absolutely, that's the way it's being recommended right now and that's the way that I'm recommending it to all of the people that I talk to.
Marco: Well it's mobile first.
Bradley: Yeah I know and I get that. Old habits die hard.
Marco: I know, yeah.
Bradley: That's quite a shift.
Marco: If you have a responsive website, and we're not talking about a subdomain, a canonical will take care of everything, right?
Bradley: Yeah, well he says right here at the last part of the question it states, “In the source code what is for desktop and tablet and what is only for mobile so it's very much like dynamic web design but both are there even though the mobile version of the specific piece of content is served just to the mobile users only both are in the source code. Do you think this could cause issues? Sorry for the long comment.” No Mark, I don't think it does. Again I don't know because I'm not that versed on mobile stuff yet. It's not something I spend a lot of time studying at the moment but if it's got separate mark up, then I'm assuming that's gonna resolve any issues but what I would do is reach out to Beaver Builder support and ask them specifically that question because I'm sure that that's been brought to their attention and if it hasn't thus far, you can be the one to bring it to their attention and let them address it for you and resolve any potential errors or problems before they arise. Okay?
Bradley: I don't know but I'm afraid to do a Google search on Beaver Builder on a public webinar.
Marco: I'm pretty sure. I mean I'm almost 100% sure that Beaver Builder is a WordPress plugin and so the template that you're using should be taking care of the canonicalization anyway, so I don't think that there's any problems either way unless they've omitted that, which talk to them about canonicals.
Bradley: If we had more time, anybody remember the movie The Naked Gun?
Email Solution For A Small Business With 3 Employees
Bradley: He's like, “Nice beaver.” “Thanks, I just had it stuffed last week.” She pulls down a stuffed beaver. All right anyways, sorry guys. Scott Rogers is up. He says … There it is, there's the Giphy. Ill be damned. “What is your recommendations for a small business email solution for three employees? Use their website hosting company? Use Gmail and customize it so it doesn't look like a Gmail account or other?” I always do Gmail Scott. I always just use the SMTP settings through Gmail. Let me rephrase that. I use the web mail account with my hosting account but I set up SMPT through Gmail in an alias. That way I can send and receive emails directly from my Gmail. Does that make sense?
Let me just give you an example. Take a look at this guys. I got a ton of aliases. See that? That's what I'm saying. I always do everything right through Gmail. The reason why is because Gmail is like industry standard number one. It's just easy to use, we're all familiar with it and in my opinion it's the best way to set it up.
Marco: The only problem with that is if the receiver, the person who receives the email, is using Outlook and Outlook will expose the original account. It'll say, if your Gmail is Bradley Benner and you're sending a semantic message email, it'll be [email protected] on behalf of-
Marco: Outlook, I'm pretty sure, I think Outlook is the only one that'll do that, that will expose what's behind the alias.
Bradley: Okay. Well the more complicated route that I don't like to do but you can use Google Apps and set up a business email account through Google that way.
Adam: Yeah Google Suite, which is pretty easy to set up and then you get your own storage associated with it, which is kind of nice. I use that for some stuff.
Bradley: Yeah you can do that. Again, I just stick with regular Gmail but that's another way that you can do it.
Adam: One cool thing about that I will say is that you can have several inboxes open and Google knows that you can do that. I have two or three Gmail tabs open in the same browser and it knows the difference between them so it's kinda nice.
Bradley: Cool. So he said-
Marco: The only-
Bradley: I'm sorry go ahead.
Marco: The only problem with that is that if you use Google Suite you won't be able to sign into Hump Day now.
Marco: You won't be able to watch anything semantic messaging. You'll have to do it through a regular Gmail account.
Bradley: Yeah, good point. However we may be eliminating that as an issue over the next couple months but we'll talk about that at a later date. All right so he says how do you do number two? Scott go to YouTube and search SMTP settings for Gmail or Gmail setup alias. Just go to YouTube and search for it. I'm sure you'll find plenty of tutorials that will help you set that up. It's very, very simple to do. And C-Panel, if you're using your web hosting you just click on configure email client and it will give you all the details that you need to add into the Gmail when you set up the SMTP settings. It'll give that information to you, so just go to your web mail section in c-panel and then go to the web mail address and click on configure email client and it'll basically expand like a drop down and then it'll give you all of your host. It's usually host.domain.com or whatever your host is or mail.domain.com and then it'll give you your port number and TTL or SSL or something like that, whatever. It's really simple to do and you can figure it out. Just go to YouTube and find a tutorial.
Grid Display Issues With Browser Bookmarks
Okay, “My browser bookmark's out of control. I've seen some screens on webbies that appear to have home page grid of bookmark. I'm trying to find that somewhere. Any ideas?” No, I use Xmarks as my bookmark keeper because it syncs across all of my devices and all my laptops and Chromebooks and all that stuff and tablets and everything and it's also integrated because it's made by the same company as Last Pass but I don't have a bookmark page. I just use Xmarks. That's this little icon right here. I prefer using Xmarks. Anybody else have any bookmark thing that they use?
Adam: Yeah I would just say for this once it gets out of control it's not like having more and more layers is gonna do it. Eventually you need to go through and maybe you create an archive section where if you haven't used it or you don't even know what it is you just throw it in there so you still have it in case you need it but it takes a little bit of upkeep. You can't just have 100,000 bookmarks that are easily accessible.
Bradley: By the way, if you're using Xmarks or some sort of bookmark sync device or app, excuse me, one thing you have to do is go to your Chrome settings and make sure you disable the sharing of bookmarks between Chrome browsers. It's in the settings because otherwise what happens is if you make a change on one device but not on another, then it'll try to sync with whatever … There will be a mismatch and it'll throw an error code. I made a mistake, I bought a new Chromebook in December last year just a couple months ago and I bought a new Chromebook and I forgot to change that setting once I got online and I told it to sync with Xmarks from that Chromebook and it screwed all of my bookmarks up. We're talking seven years of accrued bookmarks and it's been a nightmare. I'm still struggling with that now and that was back in December. I just recommend if you're gonna use Xmarks that you make sure that you disable in Chrome the sharing of bookmarks or syncing of settings. That's what it is and there's a specific checkbox for that, okay?
Favorite Way To Protect Anonymity Via Proxies
All right Jane is up. She says, “What is your favorite way to protect anonymity,” I can't pronounce that word, “Via proxies? We use hero.net as a guide. Always checking for 100% before working on posting for clients in multiple locations but some on the Google search at the bottom of our search query shows our subnet even when using a Firefox add-on called Location Guard.” The only thing that I would be, what I look for mainly is web rtc. First of all I'll use Foxy Proxy, which we have training aside of syndication academy and that kind of stuff. But anyways, I add the IP the proxy to Foxy Proxy and then I'll make sure that if I'm using a proxy that's not in the same time zone as my local computer, my PC, then I'll make sure that I switch the time on my PC to match the time zones up, okay, because otherwise there will be a basically it won't be synced. The IP time or proxy time will be different than what your local computer time will show if that makes sense and that will show that you could be using a proxy.
The other thing is Web RTC. Make sure that's disabled and if you're saying that you're hitting 100% in hero.net than I'm sure you already know about Web RTC but if you don't just go to Google and search, or you can go to ipleak.net. Ipleak.net, right, and scroll down to the bottom of the page and right here where it says what is Web RTC leaks and it basically tells you exactly what to do right here. It's very, very simple to do and also if you're using Chrome there's apparently an extension called Web RTC network limiter. I have not tested that because I do most of my dirty SEO work in Firefox, not in Chrome, but just so you know I'm pretty sure that you're aware of that already but for those of you that aren't but other than that I don't even really try to hit 200% but I would recommend, Jana, if you're doing a lot of this kind of stuff if you don't already have Browsio you should. You should get it because then you can assign IP's or proxies to specific profiles and then you always log in using the same IP to those, like you always login to those profiles using the corresponding or associated IP, right? The designated IP.
Here's the thing: with Browsio, guys, I'm telling you it's the way to go. Going forward if we come out with a syndication academy V3, we're gonna be basically integrating Browsio with it because guys you should be building digital footprints now. You should be building digital footprints if that makes sense. We talk about that doing what we do with interlinking all of our accounts and getting a presence on as many properties as possible and not trying to hide that, especially what I mean is like the branded foot prints guys. You want that but even for persona based stuff guys, it's only natural for people to browse the web that the vast majority, 98% of people out there, don't even know what cookies and cash are, so they never clean any of that stuff.
You want to start accruing cookies and basically allowing the networks to start developing a profile for your personas or your brands so that it makes that association and it makes it more genuine and more real. So again in Syndication Academy v3 if we develop that and come out with it, we're gonna be encouraging using something like Browseo very heavily because it's awesome. You can start building out or accruing a digital footprint, which is going to make your profile so much stronger and so much more relevant and valid if that makes sense because it's like an entity validation, right? It's another way for Google to validate that it's not a spam account is when it has accrued cookies and a digital profile.
Keep that in mind Jana. Again it sounds like you're doing client work and everything else, then I highly recommend that you invest in Browsio. It would totally be worth it and that way you can assign specific proxies to each client that you have and always login using that same IP and start building digital footprints for those clients. Okay, it's gonna make a world of difference going forward, all right?
Correct Channel URL To Submit When Setting Up A Branded IFTTT Network
Jeff [inaudible 00:24:04] says, “I'm in on Video Powerhouse. I have one major goal of ranking this video and I'm already planning my silo. Great training, thanks. The channel for this business is older. When I'm not logged into YouTube I get this URL as the channel URL,” okay. “If I'm logged into the user which controls the channel and I click on the creative [inaudible 00:24:21] I get the following,” okay. “Which is the correct channel URL for me to submit if I set up a branded network? I may not be able to attend today so tag me and I'll see your reply.” Jeff, you can use either because they both result to the same location. Does that make sense?
I'm pretty sure, I'd have to double check this, but I'm pretty sure that the vanity URL, in this case this one, let's go take a look at it. You could do something like, I know Marco likes to use where go's but I like to use this one. To each their own but if we take a look at them I'm pretty sure it just resolves … Okay, so I thought the vanity URL resolved to the ugly URL but it looks like it might be the other way around so let's try that one 'cause if we're looking at this you can see that it goes, it's a 200 test okay and it goes directly to that URL. I know it's small on your end guys but you can check this on your own. Let me just check one more but they both resolve to the same place, so it doesn't make any difference. Yeah, it looks like both of those URLs, they're not even set up as redirects but they both land at the same location. It shouldn't make any difference and just to double check this let's just take a look at this. We're gonna expose your channel here.
Marco: If I could just make a comment.
Marco: One is a user and one is a channel. Now if you look for the channel Bobble Factory there is no channel Bobble Factory with the-
Bradley: You mean with user-
Marco: Right. Not user but channel. Look at the first one. The first one says channel.
Marco: And then it has that long string.
Bradley: Right, that's this one.
Marco: The user resolves fine because he's the user of the channel. If you checked the channel URL with the long string that's the channel but there is no vanity channel called Bobble Factory.
Bradley: Yeah but what I'm saying is if you remove this user right here to where it's just youtube.com/bobblefactory-
Bradley: Then it resolves to the same location, see?
Marco: Right. That's to the user, not the channel.
Bradley: But I mean okay it says user in the URL but it's still the channel URL, it's just the vanity URL.
Bradley: Does that make sense? Maybe I'm not understanding the disconnect here because they both land at the same place. If I'm not logged in, if I'm in a clean browser and I visit both of those URLs, I'm gonna get to the same location. It's not gonna make any difference, right?
Marco: I mean- [crosstalk 00:27:01]
Bradley: Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm asking.
Marco: Try the long string …
Bradley: That's this one.
Marco: … With the user. Change channel to user and see if that redirects.
Bradley: But why would we do that? He wasn't asking about that. I'm just curious, I'm not understanding.
Marco: I know, but I'm just checking to see where everything's going because I don't know why that's looking like that. He should have a channel that's called that, whatever it is that it's called.
Bradley: But that's what this URL is, this one. See let me just explain guys because this might be … Like, look if I change this out, if you go into YouTube and you look at your custom URL, if we change this to I think just a ‘C' that's the display URL that they give you, right? Let me check it and see. Yeah, no it's saying this one's not existing so apparently not but what I'm saying is it says user Bobble Factory, you could even just remove that and just have it say YouTube.com/bobblefactory and if I hit enter-
Bradley: It resolves to the same location, which is the same as this long string here.
Bradley: It doesn't matter either way as far as SEO or branding or interlinking in my opinion. It makes no difference. I like to use the branded URL or the vanity URL because it just gets that brand term in there again if that makes sense. I prefer using this one if that makes sense but honestly I don't think it makes any difference as far as SEO because they both resolve to the same location.
Siloing YouTube Channel For Real Estate Campaigns
Anyways, we're gonna move on. Next one is Quit This House. Okay, “I am a real estate agent that sells in different towns and three counties. In YouTube should I create a playlist of the top six keywords then silo six videos under main keyword.” Let's see, sells in different towns in three counties, okay. “Should I create a playlist of the top six keywords and then silo six videos under main key word and then the same videos and create a playlist for each city and county that I work in?” I'm not really following this question. I mean usually with a playlist silo, guys, you're gonna want your broadest term at the top. You're gonna name your playlist your broadest term and then if you're gonna put supporting videos in there, essentially supporting keywords, right, generally they're gonna be longer tail, you're gonna use whatever the top level keyword is as the first video and then you're gonna put all the other videos subordinate to that and you're gonna interlink between them and you can do it in the video descriptions. You can also use YouTube comments. You should be using both by the way.
You should be linking to the playlist URL, the share URL, and you should also, depending on what type of silo method, and this is all covered in YouTube Silo Academy, depending on if you're trying to rank one specific keyword or if you're trying to rank all of them in together, there's different types of siloing methods but trust me, you're gonna want to use the video description and the comments for both okay and I'm doing a lot of YouTube case study work right now and so I'm doing a lot of heavy stuff in there guys. MasterClass, which by the way we have that in about 30 minutes, we're gonna be going over some of that today and we're also doing a lot of YouTube stuff right now, okay?
As far as your question, yeah put your six keywords under the main keyword in that playlist and then you can use the same videos or create a playlist for each city and county. Yeah you can do that, that's not a problem. Guys you can have a video in more than one playlist, that's fine. What you want to do is just make sure your silo's are logical. I mean that's it, you just want to make sure that they're logical. They can be silos based upon geographic location, like that's the common denominator is the location, or they could be industry or they could be both really. It just depends. You just gotta make sure that it's logical. It's really that simple guys. When it comes to siloing stuff, it's just does it make sense for this hierarchy? The way that you have those keywords stacked, does it make sense? If it doesn't make sense, if it seems out of place somewhere, then don't do it basically.
Any comments on that guys?
Hernan: I like that last statement really. If it seems out of place, don't do it. I totally agree with that because your optimizing for the user first, you know, so I really like that last statement that you said.
Using The Same Google Account To Rank A Video Using Google Properties or Drive Stacks
Bradley: All right, Paul's up. He says, “Say I have a video I'm trying to rank on first page using Google Properties, Drive stacking as you call it. Should the other Drive files with links pointing to this video be created in the same Google account where the video is uploaded to or should these Drive stacks be created in a non-associated Gmail account? In my experience Paul it doesn't make any difference. Marco, what's your take?
Marco: Yeah I think we're getting into RYS territory here. I don't know how much I'd be willing to give away as far as Drive stacking. If he's in RYS Academy I'd be more than happy to guide him more in whatever it is that he's trying to do but same Google account, it does make a difference by the way.
Marco: It does because I mean your Drive account is associated. Everything in there gets all of that love, right, the spider web silo as we call it and then it goes out from there to wherever it's directed [crosstalk 00:32:32].
Bradley: So you're saying you should create it with the same account or have it in a different account?
Marco: Yeah I would say that it needs to be in the, a drive, that's why we call it a Drive stack. It's a self-contained Drive. I don't know if you consider it, I don't know what you consider it. It's just a place where you store those files and they're interlinked and we add all of our secret sauce to it so that everything is relevant and we're pushing relevancy everywhere.
Marco: I don't see how having it on another account … I mean you could push the relevancy but it wouldn't be as relevant as if you had it in the same account.
Bradley: Well there you have it, that's a good answer then Paul. I've done both to let you guys know and I've seen results using both methods. A lot of the times, for example, if I've got existing videos out there that were on another account and I get a Drive stack built under a persona account to push relevancy to that video then it's not gonna be in the same account and it still provides results. Maybe not as good a results according to what Marco's saying but I've still been able to produce results that way. If you can get better results, having the video in the same account then absolutely do that but again I've tested both methods and I've been able to achieve results both ways.
Jeanie is up, this is a good question. I can show this. Guys, am I allowed to give away my Yelp listing strategies right now on Hump Day Hangouts? We can talk about that can we or is that Master Class Mastermind stuff only?
Adam: Leave this one up to you.
Bradley: If it's up to me I'm gonna give it away 'cause it's just Yelp.
Adam: All right, let's do it.
Bradley: All right. You guys want to see a Yelp listing strategy, let me do this. All right we're gonna pull up a Yelp listing here, so let me just pull up, I don't know, think of something. Let's just say HVAC contractor Culpepper which is where I live. I've got it set on Bing as my default, which I teach you guys to do so apparently I'm drinking my own Kool-Aid here. Let me try this again. Son of a bitch, sorry guys. HVAC Culpepper, VA. All right let's see if we can find a Yelp listing here. Right here, well that's fine. This is a Yelp index page but that will work. Let's go click on one of these guys that has some photos, like this guy right here. We'll click on this one. All right guys so yeah you can get away with basically just a whole bunch of links to Yelp listings. Well first of all, make sure the Yelp listing is completed in it's entirety. Complete everything you can on the Yelp page, right, so when you're setting up the listing complete as much as you possibly can. I mean everything that you can fill in, do it. Put as many photos in as it allows you to. Make sure that your photos are geo tagged, that you have the meta data, EXIF data, all of that stuff has been added. When I say EXIF data guys I mean coordinates, that kind of stuff.
Right here, this is it. The Exifer.net. It's a very strange name but anyways this right here you can use to add coordinates and stuff like that. There's also a download. This is all done online, that's why I like this one but I've been using and I've got it up here in my browser called Geosetter. I've been using that for seven years now and that's this right here. You guys see this? And this is how you can add basically meta data and everything to the actual files. You can add geo coordinates and everything else. Make sure that all of that is done first. Then when you go to once you completed the Yelp listing, let me show you a few things. Number one you got the main Yelp listing URL. You guys see that, that's pretty standard right? Well let's show you something else, and this is one of our Mastermind members brought this to my attention, David Ross, and it was awesome because I had never even thought to do this and he brought this to our attention.
If you go look at the page source guys from your Yelp listing, scroll down a little bit and you're gonna see this right here. You guys, this is freaking gold. Those are all canonicals guys. They're basically the Yelp in different languages, in different versions. Everyone of these URL's guys are canonicalized or basically to this main listing here. Look at all these additional target URL's right here you have to build links too. You guys see that? That's freaking gold right there because everyone of these could be different link targets, okay? That's the second method. The first method is number one, complete the profile and that includes as many photos as you can with all of your photos optimized with meta data, geo tags, everything, right?
Number two, hit the source code of the listing, copy all of your canonical URL's or alternate URL's, foreign language, whatever you want to call it. Get all of those. Put those in a spreadsheet too, right, that you can use as link building targets. Lastly, you want to go through each one of the images now that you've got all the images, click on each image guys, copy the URL right out of that. Each one of these images has a separate URL. Watch the address bar, when I click to the next image it changes. Well there's only two images on here, maybe three. There is is, there's another one. Each one of these URLs guys is another target URL, does that make sense?
I didn't give it all away but I gave a lot of it away, so is that acceptable? Are you guys okay with that?
Adam: Good to go.
Bradley: Hopefully that made sense. [crosstalk 00:39:13] What'd you say?
Hernan: I guess that's fine.
Bradley: Yeah, okay cool. All right hopefully you guys got something out of that because you can do a lot with Yelp listings. They rank like crazy. I've got a lot of lead gen stuff throughout there that is like the organic part, I rank the Yelp listings very easily even if the websites themselves don't rank as well in organic as I would like, I end up getting Yelp listings to rank really well. Okay so Tara's up. She says, “I have a client who's site was spammed by competitor with over 22,000 links using his main anchor text. He already had about 50,000 links. Normally I would correct the anchor ratio but with 22,000 links I think that would look bad. Would a disavow be a better option here or is there some other trick that I'm not thinking about?” That's a good question Tara.
Look, all I ever do with that stuff is disavow it and I've had to do that a few times now. I've got one client in particular that there is a relentless spammer out there. It's an ex-employee, he thinks it's an ex-employee, who constantly just adds negative links like spam links and really nasty stuff too like porn links with really bad anchor texts, stuff like that. So about once every six months I do an audit on his back link profile and scrape any of the new URLs that pop up and just add them to the disavow file and resubmit and that's what I do honestly because there's so much and I'm open to hear the opinions of my partners as well but literally I know some people say don't use the disavow. I've never had it ever cause any problems for me. I've been able to recover penguin penalties using disavow and I've also been able to prevent negative SEO from causing problems using disavow but I know that some people say not to use it but again I've never experienced anything negative from it so that's just what I do because it saves time.
Marco: I've never used a disavow tool. I never plan to use it, so but that's just my take on it. I know people who have had to test, I know people who have not. It is what it is, it's Google.
Hernan: I've done it. I've done disavow tools with good results but Tara in any case disavow tools will help you until some point but I think that you will need to go out there and find some really good quality back links to offset the damage of it. What I would do is to go out, maybe get a couple of editorial links. If you can get like a guest post because it's a client or a press release to offset that doing it strictly URL and/or branded anchor texts so you can get a press release out there, you can get a couple of editorial back links like really powerful back links. That will definitely off set the 50,000 back links that they are building to you in addition to the disavow, you know?
Bradley: Yeah. Yeah one trick with the disavow file that I found was whenever you submit the disavow file you want to also submit it to several indexing services. So all the links that are in the disavow file you want to submit to indexing services because that's how Google kno-, like for example if you submit a disavow file and you don't send them through indexers as well then Google is gonna take it's sweet old time for it to naturally go re crawl those links, especially if they're spammy links. A lot of those are like spambots or honey pots or those sites where like blog comments for example where there's dozens and dozens of paginated comments. Those links are very, the bots don't crawl those type of links very often because it recognizes that it's basically a spam point.
It's rare that Google will come crawl those types of links a lot of the time. You have to get the Google bot to come crawl those links again and it will cross reference the disavow file and if there's a match between URL's, it will discredit or disassociate that URL from your profile. It doesn't take it away from your profile. The links will still show in your back link profile but Google just won't count that link, either negative or good. It'll be neutral, it won't have any effect. According to Google it's just been disregarded all together although again it doesn't eliminate the URL, it just disregards it.
That's why if you take the URL's from the disavow file and submit them to several indexers or if you have an index service that is indexing really, really well like a really high success rate on indexing, then just sent it to that one. My point is you want to get the Google bots to come crawl those URL's because that's when it'll recognize that there's a file been submitted and it will make that match and then it will discredit or just disregard that URL all together if that makes sense because that's the trick with disavow files guys 'cause otherwise you can submit a file and it can be months before you see any results but if you send it through a link indexing service you can generally see results fairly quickly, okay?
Ranking Yelp Listings In Google SERP
Okay cool. Let's keep moving. Roboform, yeah that's another one. Oh wow there's not a whole lot of additional questions, good 'cause we're almost out of time anyways. Don Franklin says, “I know Mastermind members get a discount on RYS but I think Mastermind members should have RYS included as there is so much overlap and it's a piece of the puzzle needed for Mastermind members. Just my two cents.” Well we appreciate that Don but it's not gonna happen. Let's see Paul says, “I can see how we use this Yelp strategy to land new clients that are not ranking on first page.” Yeah Paul, it's very, very powerful. That's something that, you guys you can create a whole separate service just out of optimizing Yelp pages, did you know that? I mean literally, you could contact and I've done this in the past. You could contact people, like you can go start scraping Yelp listings and by you I mean a VA. You can hire a virtual assistant to go out and scrape whatever your preferred industry is. Remember I always recommend that you niche down. Get in one vertical and stay there because you can scale in one vertical so much faster than you can trying to serve multiple verticals or multiple industries.
Select an industry, hire a virtual assistant to go out and start scraping Yelp listings for multiple cities. Like cities surrounding you or anywhere in the world really. It doesn't make any difference but start scraping the listings in the cities that you designate and look for people that have non-verified or non-claimed Yelp listings. Look for companies because you can then actually reach out, and again this is all work that the VA can do. The VA can email, you give them the email, text, give them an email program that they can run through. Use something like point of mail or Yesware or some sort of email tracking client or an app that will notify of you opens and clicks and things like that and send out emails to those non-verified Yelp listings and give them a soft pitch and say, “Look we can optimize your Yelp listing and we can help it to rank on Google, get you more phone calls.”
That's something else you could do. You could also manage comments and things like that. My point is you can turn it into, first of all it could be a one-off, just optimizing the listing but then you can turn it into recurring revenue and it's also a foot in the door strategy for additional marketing services, okay? It's a really, really good strategy and by the way inside Yelp now when you're logged in, I'm not logged into Yelp now, but you can actually send messages to people inside of Yelp. I prefer sending emails out first and then if they don't respond then going back and sending a question via the Yelp contact form because not always but sometimes they'll get notified of it and that'll go for people that have verified their listings, so it's a confirmed listing, but it's not optimized.
If somebody has confirmed their listing but they don't have any images, there's no description, they don't have any reviews or maybe they have negative reviews. That's a whole other strategy, is going out and contacting people with negative reviews and saying that you can help to optimize their listing and help to set them up. That's reputation management stuff. That's something else you can do in Yelp because Yelp is a huge, huge community with a ton of traffic, okay? It's a pretty good service that you can create a whole other stream of revenue just from that.
Okay cool, it looks like we're done. Awesome thanks for the extra indexing tip. Never thought of that and that's exactly what I have in mind Bradley-, okay. All right guys since we don't have any other questions you want to wrap it up?
Adam: I think so.
Hernan: Sounds good.
Marco: Sounds good.
Adam: Don't forget everybody we got the webinar next Monday so I will pop the link in real quick again and get signed up for it. Like we said try to make it live if you can. Obviously a valuable webinar. Tons of content, some good stuff so get signed up and we'll see you guys there.
Bradley: Awesome, thanks everybody for being here. Masterclass starts in 10 minutes, so we'll see those of you there. See you.
Adam: Bye guys.
Hernan: Bye everyone.